I haven't gone thru and validated all the claims, but assuming legit data is used, this is a pretty interesting article:

The Truth About Violence in Video Gameshttp://gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm

...First off, I have absolute proof that video games are not the cause of this epidemic of youth violence in America. No, really, I do. Ready? There is no epidemic of youth violence in America. The whole concept is a lie manufactured, distributed and perpetuated by the media. Kids are not killing each other more frequently than they used to. In fact, it turns out the opposite is true...

Wow. That is interesting. I wonder if the facts bear up under scruitiny? If they did, why would people not be more angry towards the media?

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Yeah, I am not like slobbering over it and waiting to go to war with the Media, I just choose not to watch it.

I am always amazed by the things that pass for news these days. So many things that are obviously made up or not the complete facts. A lot of these pop culture type shows like ET and it's ilk are utter crap but people talk about it like it's critical knowledge.

As for the smoking thing, if you want to pollute your own lungs, great, but I don't need to deal with your second hand smoke or the trash on the ground. some of the biggest litterbugs on this planet are smokers in my opinion. Just toss 'em anywhere, someone else will pick it up.

TheJediUnit Wrote: It has an undenialbe impact.

I am not sure but it sounds like you are in favor of the movement against violent video games because you are a concerned parent.

I applaud you for your concern about what your child sees, but I do not agree with that concern translating into policy about what *I* can and cannot have.

GTA has been a great game and I have loved it to death. I would hate to have something like that taken away from me just because there's some off chance a small kid might see it.

It's up to the parents to parent... not the gaming industry.

Being a responsible parent is great, Jedi Unit!

However, what really bothers me is that this grandma who is suinging Rockstar over the hot coffee mod bought the game for ... get this?

A fourteen year old grandson!

Note, the rating on GTA games are obviously targeted at 17 and above!

I personally find this lawsuit very frilivious because she failed at her job of managing video games for her grandson. I can understand the need of ratings for games, but it goes both ways:

Video Store Employees and Parents have to do their job.

And for the absurd claims that video games cause children to go out and kill people, I have this to say: The true problem lies within the child to begin with. Why does the child have a desire to go out and kill? What can be done about this?

I'm just tired of the blame on video games (though, I do agree that Rockstar SHOULD take responsiblity for the hot coffee issue because they left it in!).

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I thought that article was very interesting - thanks for the link, Traahn. And I agree with most of this guy's take on the whole thing.

I don't care for heavily violent video games. They don't interest me and I think some of them are in very poor taste. I don't have to buy or play them if I don't want to. It is NOT up to me whether or not other people should be able to enjoy these games. People have the right to choose for themselves. I also understand that they are not for kids - they are for adults. Just like there are films for mature audiences only, and not for kids. Will kids get their hands on these games somehow anyway? Well, that is something for their parents to deal with in my opinion. It is not the government's duty to get involved in issues such as this by making violent or adult themed games illegal. This is a free country and we really need to keep the politicians out of our freedoms. That is my take on it in general.

The media... oh man - this is a sore subject with me that I could rant on about for a long time. I don't care for the mainstream media and their scare tactics and often politically charged stories aimed at polarizing audiences and keep them good and steamed and GLUED to the news. That is what I see in most of the media, anyway. I can see the points already presented here in the previous posts, and agree with each of them, at least to some extent. The media is in fact entertainment of sorts - and unfortunately, this form of entertainment is labeled as "news" and more often than not, taken in by people as fact. Though I do see a growing number of people turning off the news, or at least understanding that it is NOT fact, so much as it is a few factoids wrapped up in a speculative story.

Not all news organizations are so deceptive with their story telling. Some news outlets are a bit more present the facts without spinning a story oriented and that is more respectable. But most of what I tend to see is what I perceive as the media's attempt to scare people out of leaving their homes - after all, there is MURDER out there! Yes, MURDER and RAPISTS, and CHILD MOLESTERS, and PRIESTS - they are just CHILD MOLESTERS hiding behind the Bible! Also, EVERY country on the planet HATES America! Yes, if you travel to another country, expect to be hated by foreigners because foreigners see Americans as evil warmongers and bullies! We'll show you interviews of people in foreign countries who all hate America, so stay tuned! And be careful the next time you use your charge card - your IDENTITY might get STOLEN! Yes, watch out for IDENTITY THEFT - they're going to GET YOU! Hide in your homes and don't leave - the world is such a dangerous place! And we'll tell you ALL about the dangers in the world RIGHT HERE ON THE NEWS so don't touch that remote! We'll even tell you what should THINK about everything! After all, we're the NEWS - a bunch of good-looking people who wear suits and nice cloths and talk with an intelligent demeanor... even if we don't know all the facts, YOU will BELIEVE we do!

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Todd, I agree with many of your points, although I think what the media does is feed off of our already established insecurities.

I don’t know if they are out and out to GET you scared, if you know get my drift, but they will feed and leech off of our fears and insecurities in this world and tell you that they will provide you with an answer or some news that will help you. Which they, of course, never do and end up perpetuating the very thing they’re supposedly trying to “warn” us about.

Know what I mean?

(btw a side note...... I have my Bachelor's degree in Journalism. It was because I couldn't bring myself to create news where there was no news to report that I basically got fed up and never entered the field. No way man... not for me.)

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I am not sure but it sounds like you are in favor of the movement against violent video games because you are a concerned parent.
I don't see where I made any reference to joining any "movement." However, I support those who do follow their passions. Someone has to look out for our nation's children. I'm not saying you're saying this, but I don't see any reason to slag parental pressure groups for it's own sake. Without them, I'm sure the industry would run totally amok without self-regulation. I'm by no means interested in joining one though. I just applaud their efforts and meaningful contributions. I know to your ears, you hear me saying "I support regulations that stand in the way of you getting extreme games", but I can't prevent you believing that when it's not my aim.

Remember, we don't exactly live in a totally free country.

...just a mostly free country.

Anyway, while ultra-violent video games, as movies and television, has less impact than total upon our children, it does however have more impact on children than nothing at all. That's concerning to me.

I personally find this lawsuit very frilivious because she failed at her job of managing video games for her grandson
Nobody in their right mind would disagree with you on that. However, not everyone who concerns themselves with what kids are playing are equally retarded as that grandma. There's no reason to associate her with the legitimate level of concerns.

Why waste time hearing about how BAD things are on the news?
Agreed totally. I get a lot of news, but not during family time. I get it online and on the radio during my daily commute, but when I'm home with the family, I don't like the news being on. In fact, nearly every day, we'll thumb through a few shows during routine evening happenings, but as soon as I get my first glint of what I find inappropriate drek, I'll pop the TV off and that's it for the night. My daughter's already used to it. The TV does not take center stage in our family. I'm actually building up the nerve to just remove it from the house entirely. There's just too many better ways to spend our time. However, I suppose we really don't need to get rid of it as long as it remains bottom rung in our priorities. I hope it will be ingrained in my daughter by the time she calls her own shots.

Really, though, isn't it the parents fault if kids take video games too seriously?
Parents using TV's, computers and games as babysitters should be given manditory electroshock therapy.

The impact of video games is monitored. geez. The argument is of course, what the hell are they thinking?

One would reserve the conscious mind to criticize anyone making these models of behavior in any act. The variance of three patterns, over expression, expression, and under expression.

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Would you dance for someone that made you cry, or make evil good or good evil? Will your money make those games("consience") walk? and talk? only a politician would dare. So the point is, I dont trust anything from anyone, nor do I trust a person with a gun and a oil filter.
But can you stop the crimes of humanism, and still make it legal? Can you stop a government bent on humanism, to justify themselves at all cost?

Electroshock is for schitzos, not mom and pop. Although.. one who might say that had some sinister thoughts....

I have never been close to my game. More close to cars, music, and my life, with conscience. Thank God I can do that.

TheJediUnit Wrote: I know to your ears, you hear me saying "I support regulations that stand in the way of you getting extreme games", but I can't prevent you believing that when it's not my aim.

Funny how you follow up a post claiming I put words in your mouth by putting words in my mouth.

I was simply wondering what stand you took and then followed it up with an unrelated rant of my own. Now I understand your position. I would never begrudge anyone the right to band together and say "We don't like these things....", that would be a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say?
I'm in favor of concerned groups giving warnings about these games and educating the uneducated.
What *I* am against (and I know I am beating a dead horse, but I am going to say it anyway...) is then making policy and law to prevent ME from having things, based on someone else’s perception of what is moral and right. And some people are trying to do that.

it does however have more impact on children than nothing at all. That's concerning to me.

Along with many many many other things. Not just games. Why should games be singled out? (Not saying you are doing that, but it seems like it is being done... whereas things like music,movies,tv and magazines are somewhat glossed over.

Parents using TV's, computers and games as babysitters should be given manditory electroshock therapy.

Amen. Everyone I know who has kids plays the games WITH them. Now that people of my generation are having kids, it's easier for that to happen. When I was a kid, video games were a little to foreign to my mom to want to join in. Now however it can be a family thing.




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