Kamui Wrote:I think this guy might know a thing or two about the arena designs: http://www.sheezyart.com/view/319251/ ~Kamui.EXE

Nice... thanks for sharing.

Carl
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Spotted something...

Here is where the good guys rez into the game grid.


Here is where the bad guys rez in.


Note the similiar cut outs in the walls behind them. I notice in one shot the game grid stops sort of the wall and in the other it doesn't. Odd.

Now look at the close up shots. They've moved over till they are both directly in front of where the edge of the 45 degree cut out reaches the floor.



Thats not what's bothering me though. Shouldn't there be cut outs in the distance shot where I've put the red in this picture?

Sketch Wrote:Remember many of the backgrounds you see with the actors were hand drawn, so there is a difference in the actor backgrounds and the cgi sets. Remember cgi is 3D while traditional hand drawn art is 2D. From an artistic standpoint, I see the reason for that extra detail. Without the exra background detail behind the actors, that backround would not register as a 3 dimentional suface to the human eye, it would look like a flat 2D stripe in the background and nothing more. By adding the missing block segment into the slant and the extra line details on the wall in 2 point perspective format to line up with the figures, it adds a sense of perspective debth that adds to the believeability that the figures on screen are standing in an actual 3D environment. It's a simple 2D design element used in art.

Thanks... that makes sense. However the segment of wall visible behind TRON, Ram, and Flynn isn't really helped by the edge of the cut out that is seen.

Sketch Wrote:I would use those extra details in a cgi model for you could get some very interesting details for the gamegrid walls.

Let me think about that. At the moment I hand code pretty much all of my shapes and considering the size of the wall... it really is massive. It would take 10's of thousands of little cut outs to cover them all. And what really makes things tricky is POV-Ray doesn't have an easy way to highlight edges. With my tank turret I did all that by hand and the outline was 10 times more complicated to make then the turret itself. I think for my first pass I'll skip adding detail this fine and think about finding an automated way of adding random little cutouts.

Sketch Wrote:From a distance you wouldn't be able to see them at all, but it would add a sense of visual mass when you think about these minute details becoming more and more visible the closer a cycle gets to a wall. It would renenforce just how large these walls are compared to the cycles. Imagine the whole arena with little details like this, even in the giant numbers. It would add a more constructed feeling to the arena, which can be seen in Syds concept drawings.

So... you've seen those too? Are these in the Art of Tron book? I really need to get that book one of these days. If these are on the web somewhere could you point me to them?

Thanks,
Carl

Thanks... that makes sense. However the segment of wall visible behind TRON, Ram, and Flynn isn't really helped by the edge of the cut out that is seen.

Well, it's to show that slant is a diagonal corner of the wall in 3D space, since without it, again, it would look like a 2D diagonal painted stripe on the wall. If the rest of the leg was there it would look alot better, but that's because that part of the leg was coverd by the lightcycle prop used by the actors to create that downward movement as teh cycle rezzes over the drivers.

Let me think about that. At the moment I hand code pretty much all of my shapes and considering the size of the wall... it really is massive. It would take 10's of thousands of little cut outs to cover them all. And what really makes things tricky is POV-Ray doesn't have an easy way to highlight edges. With my tank turret I did all that by hand and the outline was 10 times more complicated to make then the turret itself. I think for my first pass I'll skip adding detail this fine and think about finding an automated way of adding random little cutouts.

I don't mean do the whole arena, mabey just a starting point like in the screen caps to see how it looks when they take off, with the camera following them as the wall is left behind in a blur. I know that would take up alot of memory and time.

So... you've seen those too? Are these in the Art of Tron book? I really need to get that book one of these days. If these are on the web somewhere could you point me to them?

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Here, I found them on Guy Gordons site.

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Source:
http://www.3gcs.com/tron/production/Electronic%20World/index.htm

Uploading now. (Fascinating, this was posted by DaveTRON, but it showed up as Compucore and I am now logged in as Compucore.)

Hey... I just noticed I'm in the top 25. Pats self on back...

By the way... check this out:


That's some pot hole they drive over like it isn't even there. Had it not been for the shadow I would have thought those were just two stripes on the ground.

Carl

wwwmwww Wrote:Hey... I just noticed I'm in the top 25. Pats self on back... By the way... check this out: That's some pot hole they drive over like it isn't even there. Had it not been for the shadow I would have thought those were just two stripes on the ground. Carl

Congrats on making the top 25, Carl!

And that's a good find with the "pothole". I don't think I've noticed that one before. It happens so quickly in the film.

My take on it is similar to Riparian's. In production terms, it was just an oversight I'm sure. But in the world of TRON - I see it as one of the properties of the digital world. Though there is a crevice there, the floor properties prevent anything from dropping further than the established floor plane dimension. Either that, or "light" cycles refers to the fact that they're VERY light and pass right over things like that with ease

Todd, you're so smart. *bats eyelashes*

Ok... here is what I worked on this weekend. I actually did this TWICE as my PC locked up on me before I saved my pictures. Arg...


This is ALL this is seen of the light cycle arena walls in the film.

Some points...

(1) I never noticed the pattern of cut outs on all the walls were identical before. This makes my job much easier.

(2) The North wall is the wall the good guys start off in front of. The East wall is the wall the bad guys start off in front of. Shouldn't these walls be opposite each other? Well not aparently...

This shot
tells me the East wall is to the right of the North wall as I have it above.

However this shot
puts the North wall to the right of the East.

And this shot
puts the South Wall to the right of the West wall.

That doesn't agree with how I have them labeled above either. So why did I label them the way I did? Well after studying the footage it looks like the walls move between cuts. I assume each cut was rendered seperately and if only two walls were going to be seen in a cut they only put in those two walls. And it doesn't look like they paid much attention to which two walls they picked. In all the footage there is only one single cut that showed all 4 walls. Its the cut after they enter the maze and there is a series of about 8 quick turns and you see each (or atleast parts of each) wall in that single cut and if you keep track of the direction of the turns this is how the walls are layed out.

(3) I never noticed one of the walls had a square root sign on it before. You never see as much of it as I show here in a single frame before so I guess that's why I never noticed it.

(4) When the blue light cycle crashs and creates a crack in the wall it looks like it does more then just create a crack. The division sign and the 3 swap places with 3 of the rectangular cutouts. Odd... not sure why they did that. Looks like they wanted the crack in the exact center of what I'm calling the East wall yet they wanted it next to the numeral 3.

(5) Here is the order of the sybols on each wall.

North = 0, 1, pi, 7, 2
East = 8, 5, division, 3, 9
South = pi, 8, square root, ?
West = ?, ?, less then, equal to, greater then, 4

The North and East wall each have 5 symbols. I believe the South wall has 4 as the square root symbol is big enough to fill that space by itself. And the West wall picks up the slack by having 6 symbols. The all fit into the wide spot.

(6) I notice we already have two 8's and two pi's. Why when we don't even get to see a 6?

Well on my arena I'll fill one of the spaces we don't get to see with a 6. I still get to pick two other numbers or operations. I'm thinking about:

i = the square root of -1
e = 2.71828... the base of the natural logarithms
× = the multiplication sign
± = the plus/minus sign
and a few others but these are at the top of the list.

Any preferences? I don't suppose anyone that worked on the initial renderings remembers what symbols go in the positions that aren't seen. Hmmm... maybe some test renderings were made or maybe there is some cut footage that might still exist that would show these portions of the walls. Anyone know?

Enjoy,
Carl