Yes too bad inded. Oh well as they say in french"C'est la vie."

DaveTRON Wrote:Compucore, Too bad that will never happen.

I'm not proposing it's Disney overall, just my experieince at BVG. I believe there are good strong elements still at Disney, but BVG isn't going to be one of them in my opinion. It's just my opinion.

Jay is right, they are responsible to stock holders, and that's a good thing if you can make the stockholders understand why you need to move in certain directions.

In the small sphere that is TRON, I think Disney needs to go after the fan community and mobilize them to build interest. Look at Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Stargate, and even Star Trek. Those shows are fan driven nowdays. They have a mythos attached and are accesible for both casual and devoted fans.

Disney approaches TRON as a FRANCHISE to be rebuilt in a more palatable fashion for the masses and sold to make money only. They don't care about the fact that there is 23 years of fandom and, though not as deep as other sci-fi yet, that TRON has a back story to be built on. They only want to figure out how to make a sure fire money maker, and that's it.

They proved that to me anyway.
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Well.... i know its rough leaveing but if it improves your life then congrats! I've worked at jobs that go downhill and you just dont realize how much of a dampner they put on your life outside work untill you leave them. And its cool how you are looking at this as not a huge dissapointment but a new oppertunity. Best of luck Dave in your new adventures. And if you ever need a virtual pat on the back, this forum is their for ya.

Well, it all makes so much more sense now, DaveTRON.

I wondered why it was so hard to find Tron 2.0 at the major game stores here - along with Tron GBA - and now I know. They don't have a clue how to market the product.

I never really saw any cool ads for Tron 2.0 on TV and the one-sheets in magazines didn't do too much to push what the game was really about.

Let alone the whole X-Box Live experience - every major review for the game tells everyone that they need to get this if even only for X-Box Live. It could be a real force to be reckoned with online - and it is - but it could be truly HUGE if they'd push the game.

What's the point in releasing a product if you aren't going to promote it to let people know it even exists? Saturate the market with the game - get it out there so people even know it exists!

Dave, I'm proud of you and glad to see you move on to truly greener pastures. I'm glad you don't have to work for such money-hungry Eisnerites!

But what a sad thing to know that these people just have no idea how to handle such a great and established universe - just ready to be tapped for potentials.

I could not agree with you more Dave. If it was up to Steven I hope he doesn't mind if we call him by his first nam at times. That things would be way more different than it turned out to be if he had more control over that aspect. Since its his pride and joy that he had created for use fans here. I am sure if all of us here at tron-sector were to promote at the time when the PC version, Xboix, and the GBA versions came out it it would be selling more. Since we would b marketing to the fans from the Fans. Kind of like a 1 to 1 ratio.

A couple of weeks ago before christmas I was at a local EBgames store up here in a local shopping centre near by. And I was over hearing in french two other people trying to decide what to buy as for their next game that thy wanted to palce. Just using this as an xample. I'n not going to make it long winded herf.. I was lucky enough to see a version of tron for the GBA standing right in front of me. And they were trying to decide for the both of them on their game boys what to buy.

I mentioned to them if they thought of buying the tron game. They thought it was awsome looking and all that. But never even heard about it at all. I has asked them if they had even seen the movie on rental or on the big screen. Sadly enough thy said no. I told them that it a great game that I usually play a lot of it at home. yeah I told them a white lie to see they would take the bait of even buying it. Anyways they left without buying a thing there.

Its sad to see that one of the greatest movies to turn out on th silver screen and being placed into the pc and gaming consoles alike. That the marketing has not done a better job of this in trying to make a great game like tron and the movie to make better sales.

Too many question so lfew answer as always. Makes you wonder sometimes where the big wigs that maks gams lik tron and th others are actually thinking of if thy don't market th product properly.

Davetron you don't have to answer this Just putting out som of my thoughts here on it.

DaveTRON Wrote:What's sad is that they are allowed to handle such a promising universe and turn it into crap. It's Steven's world, and he should have had the opportunity to build it into something more.

My wife thinks I am repressing my emotions because I only allowed myself to break down for about 30 seconds. I am sorry to say that that was it for me. That's all they are gonna get from me, because I do know I am better than the circumstances I was in.

I will admit to some trepidation on starting down this new path, who doesn't fear the unknown, but rather than excise a failure as I am sure they consider it, they have really unleashed a monster. The best revenge is living well after all.

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Just some advise from the working class and people who are now employed:


I remember I left my job.

I was happy for about 4 months.

I gained 60 pounds, built a bird house and tried to write and publish a book that no one wanted.

Worse yet they told me I had no talent and my wife almost divorced me.

I had to crawl back on my hands and knees to get my old job back.

Those bills will be gaining up sooner or later Dave ol pal!

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I also have far more personal pride than you apparently. I crawl for no one!

Cheer up:


I remember one time in my third job my boss fired me.

He fired me on the spot.

I got an employment lawyer.

My lawyer said that under state law they had to put me under suspension or probation then termination being a final answer.

My lawyer also told me that my employer should have warned me about any termination.

I sued the company got a big settlement and got my old job back.

Best thing is my boss got fired 5 months later for "money laundering".

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DaveTRON Wrote:You don't like Breaking Benjamin? The greatest band to grace Halo and TRON?

Well . . . let me put it this way. On its own, the music is all right. I could listen to it off a CD and enjoy it for what it is, I guess. Even though I'm not particularly into this style of music.

But hearing the music in a Tron game? How ludicrous is that. What the hell does it have to do with Tron? Nothing. It's not even remotely close in style or tone to the film. (When I saw the trailer for Killer App on the Xbox, I just cringed. ) It was a marketing gimmick, to appeal to console kiddies . . . that's all. With a "Killer" title, Halo helmets, and some "hard core" tunes, the marketing department must have thought they were geniuses for coming up with this stuff. WRONG.

The PC market will actually turn out to be their largest I would bet . . . and they're probably already finding that out. People who own PCs tend to be older, and have seen the film. They also tend to have a fair bit of disposable income that they themselves are in control of. By trying to appeal to the console market, they've made the grave error of not realizing that most kids these days don't know what the hell Tron is . . . nor do they care. And they'll use whatever limited funds they have, to buy Halo 2 instead.

They think there's less piracy and tech support issues on the consoles? Maybe, but that doesn't seem to be making up for the flagging sales at the moment now does it. And it would've also helped if the game had been tested properly, because the message forums are full of complaints about bugs and other issues in Xbox Killer App. Don't have Xbox Live? No patch for you. Provided they ever make one, that is.

If they want to pursue console dollars . . . then they're going to have to advertise and market their games better. Which they're not doing. Maybe, just maybe, the GBA version will save them . . . because it seems to work quite well and it has the classic games emulated. So maybe a fair number of people will be clamoring for it.

Gah, I didn't mean to go on like this. I think I'll stop here. It's just sad when supposed "numbskulls" such as the fans can see things more clearly than the so-called experts in charge.