Kamui User
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Wednesday, September, 08, 2004 3:34 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:Kamui Wrotearn you lucky people! Since I don't have the money for those 3D graphics/animation programs...
...just one day.... *Sigh* |
Actually, there are a good number of FREE high-end 3D rendering software packages out there (and I don't mean warez).
I'm sure you've seen the 3D light cycle Carl Hoff (user name wwwmwww) featured in the image gallery.
I don't remember what he said he used (was it light ray?) but I do recall he said it was a free download. And I know I've heard of at LEAST a few other free, high-end 3D rendering apps - that are also compatible with some of other expensive 3D apps. (in terms of file types). These apps. are generally offered free to anyone who is not using them commercially.
If you do a little searching, I'm sure you'll find some really good applications out there, and not have to acquire them another way
I used some freeware apps. on my early FX work - a free video de-compiler and re-compiler was a big help at the time
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Actually, I'm looking for the same software my school has so I can do extra stuff here along with working on projects and so forth for my Media classes. It truely has a much more educational purpose. I do have a good intent behind this.
Right now, I'm just considering my options right now. I have NO money and in 300$ CAN debt with my parents. My financial situation is looking kinda ugly at the moment so I need much more "free" options. I may just end up borrowing the software from some one. I'm just trying to find a solution that works best. *Shrugs*
Anyways, lets move on before someone loses an eye or something.....
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Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Wednesday, September, 08, 2004 5:40 PM
I checked this out from work today - HOLY COW! Angelfire.com is just EVIL with those pop-unders and PLENTY of them! I don't have a pop-up (or under) killer on my work PC.
But I still got to check out the updated TRON animation. The added familiar melody at the end was a nice touch!
It gets TRONier and TRONier with each update
Work it!
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Wednesday, September, 08, 2004 5:45 PM
Kamui Wrote:...Anyways, lets move on before someone loses an eye or something.....
~Kamui.EXE |
Aaaaahhhhhhhh!
Yeeeeeeooooooowwwww - my eye!
Just kidding - both eyes are still in place and fully functional.
Well, good luck finding the applications that will help you work your art and grow creatively
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Traahn User
Posts: 3,301 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Wednesday, September, 08, 2004 8:14 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:
HOLY COW! Angelfire.com is just EVIL with those pop-unders and PLENTY of them! |
Ain't that the truth! They now even open a left-hand sidebar that you have to close out every time!! I shouldn't complain because they're hosting my site for free... but do people actually buy stuff from the pop-ups??? Who here has bought a Lion King video or a Mickey Mouse Club thing as a direct result of visiting my site?? Hehe
I'm getting out of here right now, and you guys are invited. -----^ |
Prankster bit User
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Thursday, September, 09, 2004 4:51 PM
not me, that's for sure. some nice work there traahn!
just posting to globalize my latest achievement...
yes it's [another] unreal tournament map
this one has each player on a set of the disappearing rings [like in the film], but the amazing thing is, i programmed a ring to disappear when it gets hit with something [explosive, bullet etc.] and there's a "death zone" underneath all the rings, so when all the rings disappear, the player dies.
well, back to the grindstone...
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Traahn User
Posts: 3,301 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Thursday, September, 09, 2004 10:51 PM
Ugh! I wish I had Unreal Tournament. I'd love to play the level and tweaks you're making!! I know I'll get the game some day, just don't know when. When I do, I'll certainly try the Tron tweaks.
I'm getting out of here right now, and you guys are invited. -----^ |
TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Friday, September, 10, 2004 6:32 PM
Traahn Wrote:...Who here has bought a Lion King video or a Mickey Mouse Club thing as a direct result of visiting my site?? Hehe |
I make it a practice to NEVER acknowledge pop-ups - JUST close them as quickly as possible. As for what they advertise - well, pop-ups and pop-unders are such a turn off, I'm more inclined NOT to purchase anything they advertise. If a pop-up were a person - I'd PUNCH them as hard as I could in the FACE! They're EVIL and very, VERY annoying.
But I've got a pop-up killer on my home PC - so I don't get bombarded with them (at least at home).
As for your site, Traahn - you've got some good creative works on there and I'm glad you're sharing your art with the world. Perhaps some day you'll invest in your own dot-com with a pop-up free environment, and always high-speed downloads and plenty of bandwidth. Basic dot-com and hosting have really come down in price - you may want to look in to it.
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Friday, September, 10, 2004 6:34 PM
Prankster bit Wrote:not me, that's for sure. some nice work there traahn!
just posting to globalize my latest achievement...
yes it's [another] unreal tournament map
this one has each player on a set of the disappearing rings [like in the film], but the amazing thing is, i programmed a ring to disappear when it gets hit with something [explosive, bullet etc.] and there's a "death zone" underneath all the rings, so when all the rings disappear, the player dies.
well, back to the grindstone... |
I don't have Unreal Tournament, so I'll probably never get an oppertunity to see your TRON inspired maps in the game. But if you could - maybe take some screen captures of them and post them here. I'd love to see what you came up with
Hmmmm, if I ever got the game Unreal Tournament - I'd have to play as TheUnReelTodd he he he
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Friday, September, 10, 2004 6:48 PM
I'm sorry for triple posting back to back to back, but it gets cluttery-looking when I try to answer too many posts AND post new all in one
Anyway - on Wednesday, as I was preparing to hit the game grid for some light cycle action, I watched my unfinished video project... and I was hit with a little inspiration!
Woo hoo! I have a game plan to fill in about... 6 more seconds of background oddness!
Quickly, I pulled out my handy-dandy mini-green screen, popped my camera on the tripod, set up the bright lights, secured my stop-motion figure-of-the-moment to he base, and started shooting some frames of action, to be repeated to the beat toward the end of the video (end of the 1st chorus of entire song, but end of MY video as I'm just doing the first verse and chorus).
In just an hour or so, I was able to get all the frames I should need for this part of the video. And then I did hit the game grid for a while.
Thursday, I looked at the raw frames on my PC, and assembled them in a very rough animation test to see if they worked. They're not very smooth, but they seemed to work, and it's not required for them to be really smooth because of the nature of what I'm doing with them.
Yep - I think THIS one WILL make it in to the final video. In addition to the figure I animated, I also started working on the background part of the background on Wednesday (before shooting my stop motion frames). It is basic and has a slight TRON feel to it, but will probably NOT make it in to the final video. I'll probably replace it with something more... um... well, something busier... if that makes any sense. And also something with a slight TRON look to it. In loose ways (and one very blatant way) there are several aspects of this video that have a TRON feel to them. As I've said before - there's some TRON inspired imagery (even if only subtle) in a lot of my work. From drawing-in the scene, to basic style or color schemes, I often incorporate a touch of TRON inspired imagery in to my work.
I find TRON a great source of inspiration in terms of creativity and what has brought out my artistic side over the years.
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Kamui User
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Saturday, September, 11, 2004 9:18 AM
Any chance we'll be able to see the film?
Oh yes! Incidentally on that 3D subject:
http://www.panebianco3d.com/e_tutorials-japan-3d_p1.htm
Discovered the site while I was in Chapters the other night. The Japanese may be a little sticky though. ;;
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Saturday, September, 11, 2004 11:26 AM
Kamui Wrote:Any chance we'll be able to see the film? |
Ask me again in another 6 months
In all seriousness, I'd LOVE to show this short (yet labor-intensive) little video to EVERYONE!
But...
It's far from being done. There are so many holes in it.
Remember - I started it back in February and I'm STILL not really close to completion.
Earlier this week, I figured out a cool (I hope it's cool) sequence I can add that will fill up 6, or maybe 7 seconds of the project. To complete this segment, I'll probably end up spending several days, perhaps a couple of weeks. And then I'll have another SIX or SEVEN WHOLE SECONDS OF (hopefully) interesting and odd background visuals for this thing. And I'll STILL be left with several other holes to fill in, not to mention those parts of it that I am not happy with and have to tweak or just scrap and re-do.
If I ever complete this and don't end up hating it when its done, I'll add it to my site and show it to anyone who wants to see it. After all, that is what art is about - in ANY median - it HAS to be seen (and hopefully) admired by others.
In the end - people will DEFINATELY scratch their heads and wonder how the heck this could have taken me soooooo very long to complete. What MOST people will find is a corny, but fun music video with some cool imagery and animation in it. Some people - the media artists and those with a knowledge in how tedious it is working with multi-layered video AND making it look right, AND having the timing just right, etc. - they might understand some of the work that went in to it. They still might wonder why it took as longs as it has though.
In the end - it is not the time and effort one puts in to the project that makes it a "good project" or a "bad project". The time involved in crafting it has little to do with how entertaining people will find it.
And I already said - I'll probably never admit exactly HOW long this has taken me when I'm done. By the time it's finished, I'm sure most of the people who read my ramblings in this thread will have forgotten all about it.
But to answer your original question - I really can't wait until I can show it to people. That's the TRUE fun - getting people's reaction to it. I doubt it will blow anyone away with amazement, but I bet it puts a smile on their face as they enjoy the short video clip.
My early projection for completion is sometime next spring. I base that on how long it’s taken me to get it this far, and how much more I have to do to it.
The random factor is... how many more times will "creative block" slow this down before it's done? Damn creative block!
Oh man. Do I just LOVE to ramble on about my creative interests, or what?
I'm sorry about that!
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wwwmwww User
Posts: 1,230 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Sunday, September, 12, 2004 3:21 PM
Just found this tread. I'm up to the post I'm quoting below. I hope posting before I've read all the posts doesn't get me in trouble.
Prankster bit Wrote:
as well as trying to make a lightcycle in Maya |
Cool. Would love to see it when you're done.
Prankster bit Wrote:
incidentally, i dug around on his site and i actually found the said 7 second clip. |
Took me a while too. After reading the above I HAD to see it. I was sort of hoping a link would have been posted with ALL that but it was fun looking for it too.
Carl
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wwwmwww User
Posts: 1,230 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Sunday, September, 12, 2004 4:13 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:
I'm sure you've seen the 3D light cycle Carl Hoff (user name wwwmwww) featured in the image gallery.
I don't remember what he said he used (was it light ray?)
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POVRay...
You can get it here. I'm currently modeling a Light Flyer with it to go with my Light Cycle and Light Cycle with Sidecar aka Side Cycle.
You can get it here:
http://www.povray.org
Enjoy,
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Sunday, September, 12, 2004 5:01 PM
wwwmwww Wrote:Prankster bit Wrote:
incidentally, i dug around on his site and i actually found the said 7 second clip. |
Took me a while too. After reading the above I HAD to see it. I was sort of hoping a link would have been posted with ALL that but it was fun looking for it too.
Carl
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Hey wwwmwww - sorry about that!
I purposely did not include a link because it really is just a short, low-resolution, awful audio-quality demo clip. I think I only buried it on my site because I haven't added any new videos to it in some time and at least that was something... in an un-finished, low quality, no one will ever look here kind of way. I didn't expect anyone to go looking for it, but I don't mind at all. EVERYTHING on my site, of course, is put there for ANYONE to check out.
The video as a whole (especially in the last few months) has basically turned in to a game of "how many video layers of stuff can I throw in this thing before I go crazy trying to keep track of it all?"
When it's done - I'll make a proper "OMG I can't believe I FINALLY finished this thing" thread (that's not what I'm really calling the new thread ) and add links to the completed, high-resolution, good audio-quality, nice and big frame-size video If people don't mind - I'll probably add their comments to the actual video page itself.
Well, back to ranting. Yes, I need to rant a little more right now... if you don't care for my LONG-WINDED ranting, here's where you move on to another thread
Ok, ready?
I spent time yesterday cleaning up the matte images of my soon-to-be-added figures. We'll call them... the red guy and the blue guy - because one is red and the other one is blue... ok, that was dumb to point out... um... anyway...
Matte work is VERY tricky - especially when one does not have the high-end toys that the folks in the Hollywood machine have access to. People think that you just put something in front of a green or blue screen, shoot it, and then get a perfect, clean, motion image to composite with the rest of the scene. Um... WRONG! There are actually software packages out there that help clean up matte imagery, but I do not have any of these... but I'm coming very close to investing!
For the short animation that will fill in about 6 or 7 seconds of "odd" background... or maybe foreground (not decided yet) I really don't have a lot of frames. I'll also be cheating and reusing frames because part of the animation repeats to the beat.
I don't know why, but I was stupid and only used 1 high-wattage light to illuminate the stop-motion character (one character animated at a time). This resulted in the green background not being very evenly lit, which means the separation of the character from the green background will NOT be so easy to accomplish properly. DOH! That's what I get for trying to rush setting up for the shoot! Oh, the stop-motion character also reflected the green background on some of it's edges... DOUBLE-DOH! This I could see WHILE animating it, but didn't have a good way of eliminating the reflection of the green, so I had to go with it and think up something else later. That's what this production has been basically - shoot/animate *something* and figure out what to do with it later
Ok, I got the stop motion characters separated properly from the green background. They had an UGLY green "shine" in some parts - YUCK! So, I did what I had to do. The characters went from looking like what they look like... to looking like... um... red guy and blue guy. Ok, that would make more sense if you could see what I'm talking about. I put together a "concept" image of what this part of the video MIGHT look like. Some colored glowing lines will be animated in the background, Mr. Jitterhead will be there lip-synching the final words of the chorus (and final words that will be included in this short prabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Sunday, September, 12, 2004 5:14 PM
wwwmwww Wrote:TheReelTodd Wrote:
I'm sure you've seen the 3D light cycle Carl Hoff (user name wwwmwww) featured in the image gallery.
I don't remember what he said he used (was it light ray?)
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POVRay...
You can get it here. I'm currently modeling a Light Flyer with it to go with my Light Cycle and Light Cycle with Sidecar aka Side Cycle.
You can get it here:
http://www.povray.org
Enjoy,
Carl |
Thanks for adding that, Carl! I was too lazy to go finding the thread where you mentioned it before. But I'm sure some of our fellow media-artists and TRON fans will be very interested in that little gem! I just checked out their site. There's a picture of nuts and bolts just laying on a table... here:
http://www.povray.org/community/hof/boltstill3.php
Oh man - if I didn't already know that wasn't real, I would NOT be able to tell! Only KNOWING it's a 3D rendered image can I find the most subtle signs of 3D renderings - and I REALLY had to look hard to find them.
It will happen soon - very soon. It probably has and I just didn't know it. But soon - people will be putting out 3D images that not even an expert can tell from an actual photograph. It is truly amazing what a talented person can do with a software package like this.
When it comes to 3D applications - I can only make the most basic of basic imagery - spheres, cubes, cones, etc. Oh, and blobs - metaballs are fun to play with I really tip my hat to people who can use these applications to craft such beautiful images - either in realism or fantasy. It's very impressive art to me.
Oh, BTW Carl - I keep waiting to see more of your TRON models and animations. Have you played with any of them recently? You were doing some really cool stuff with them not long ago.
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wwwmwww User
Posts: 1,230 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Sunday, September, 12, 2004 7:21 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:Oh, BTW Carl - I keep waiting to see more of your TRON models and animations. Have you played with any of them recently? You were doing some really cool stuff with them not long ago.
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Yes, a little. Real life keeps getting in the way. This was so much easier when I was unemployed but the bills HAVE to be payed. Here are some views of my light flyer:
Side View
Rear View
Bottom View
Front View
The cockpit is the same as that used on the sidecar.
I've started work on animating the flyer as well as my tank but just haven't found the time to get back to them.
Enjoy,
Carl
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Monday, September, 13, 2004 1:45 AM
Carl,
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kmon User
Posts: 191 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Monday, September, 13, 2004 10:36 AM
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
Posts: 0 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Monday, September, 13, 2004 5:07 PM
wwwmwww Wrote:I've started work on animating the flyer as well as my tank but just haven't found the time to get back to them.
Enjoy,
Carl
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That looks really cool!
Nice job on a very TRON looking new vehicle! I know you used the cockpit from the light cycle side-car - but it looks cool used like that. Perhaps the two are interchangeable? Maybe the light cycle side-car breaks away when needed and the hover parts rez-in? Just speculating. Looks cool doing that in my head anyway.
I don't see the "TIE Fighter from the rear" DaveTRON spoke of. Doesn't look like any part of a TIE fighter to me.
I hear you on the "haven't found the time" thing. Time is a very elusive creature in my life.
Well, I'm looking forward to the animations when you've got them some show
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wwwmwww User
Posts: 1,230 | Re: Multi-media artists - have you ever... on Monday, September, 13, 2004 6:48 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:
That looks really cool! |
Thanks for the kind words everyone, DaveTRON and kmon included.
TheReelTodd Wrote:
Nice job on a very TRON looking new vehicle! I know you used the cockpit from the light cycle side-car - but it looks cool used like that. Perhaps the two are interchangeable? Maybe the light cycle side-car breaks away when needed and the hover parts rez-in? Just speculating. Looks cool doing that in my head anyway. |
You think too far ahead. Yes, the two are meant to be interchangeable. The thought in my head is that the Side Cycle is used to transport the Light Flyer cockpit to the Light Flyer Arena. Envision this...
8 programs res-in on the edge of the game grid. There are 2 standing shoulder-to-shoulder then a space then another 2 and a space and another 2 and a space followed by the last 2. Between each 2 a rod with a sphere on the end materializes/rezes-in and rises from the floor. The first rod and sphere are Red, the second is Green, the third Blue, and the last Purple. Once at waist level the rod and sphere seperate and the program on the left grabs the rod with both hands and falls forward while a Light Cycle rezes-in around him. At the same time the program on the right grabs the sphere with both hands (think of it as a big track ball) and falls back into a crouched position, legs forward with knees seperated and his body bent forward with his head up and arms forward but bent at the elbows while the Side Car rezes-in around him. All four Side Cycles (one Red, one Green, one Blue and one Purple) then zip off across the game grid heading for the Light Flyer Arena. (Skip some action that takes place on the way to the Light Flyer Arena involving a Tank and leaves us with 3 Light Cycles) As they approach the edge of the Light Flyer Arena they come to the edge of a deep cavern. Note the Purple Side Cycle is gone. The Side Cycles slow down while the cockpits of the Side Cars seperate from their frames. The 3 Side Cycles then come to a stop on colored squares at the edge of the cavern but the momentum of the Side Car cockpit carries it on across the edge of the cavern where it too comes to a stop hovering in the air. The presence of the Side Cycles cause the squares to light up and it's noted the Purple Square remains dim. Then from below the colored squares the frame of the flyer emerges coming up from the rear and below to engage the cockpits. Nothing comes up from below the Purple Square. They connect and off they fly to engage in their own 'game'.
Bracket the above with a few seconds shot in the real world to tie things together and add in the details of the 'game' and you have the animation I'd like to make. However at the moment there are only parts of it that I know how to make. I'll make what I can and share it here as I have time and maybe I'll be able to get some help with the rest.
TheReelTodd Wrote:
I don't see the "TIE Fighter from the rear" DaveTRON spoke of. Doesn't look like any part of a TIE fighter to me.
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Well aside from both having round cockpits I don't really see it either. It almost makes me think of a flying Easter egg on a spoon.
Enjoy,
Carl
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