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VPier
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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Wednesday, August, 04, 2004 5:46 AM
You silly people, it's the Orange, it gained AI sentience when it was digitized, beware of the MCO.

I wonder if Programs can eat digitized fruit?

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Wednesday, August, 04, 2004 12:14 PM
Actually, if you watch the movie, the orange is disassembled, and then reassembled on the platform on the monitor.

It is not left in the digital world at all.

It comes right back.

If it had stayed in the digital world the experiment would have been a failure and there would be no setup for Flynn to go in and come out again.

We've all been seeing that incorrectly.

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Wednesday, August, 04, 2004 4:47 PM
DaveTRON Wrote:Actually, if you watch the movie, the orange is disassembled, and then reassembled on the platform on the monitor.

It is not left in the digital world at all.

It comes right back.

If it had stayed in the digital world the experiment would have been a failure and there would be no setup for Flynn to go in and come out again.

We've all been seeing that incorrectly.

I want Digitzed Citrus! THat would be fun, watching a program like Tron stealing the digitized oranges so that they couldn't get them back. I would love to see the look on the memory guard's faces when the orange shows up in the teleportation entry port. "Vacate entry port simulated citrus fruit!"
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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Wednesday, August, 04, 2004 6:32 PM
Scuzzy Wrote:I love discussing this stuff with you, SteveDroid.

Why would the MCP feel the need to digitize humans?
Already answered:
The MCP hated Users. He felt that he was at least their equal and to be subservient to them was something he hated. To have Users enter his world at his whim and do his bidding is the ultimate irony. The Program has become the User and that is something the MCP would relish.

Digitizing the users would be icing on the cake for him.

MCP + Control over users on HIS turf = A very HAPPY MCP

Need I say more?

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Thursday, August, 05, 2004 3:23 AM
Kamui Wrote:
Scuzzy Wrote:I love discussing this stuff with you, SteveDroid.

Why would the MCP feel the need to digitize humans?
Already answered:
The MCP hated Users. He felt that he was at least their equal and to be subservient to them was something he hated. To have Users enter his world at his whim and do his bidding is the ultimate irony. The Program has become the User and that is something the MCP would relish.

Digitizing the users would be icing on the cake for him.

MCP + Control over users on HIS turf = A very HAPPY MCP

Need I say more?

~kamui.EXE

There is just one thing. Why keep USERS? I mean maybe he could harness something from them if he absorbed them, but there is no evidence to support that. He wanted Flynn derezed on the game grid so we know he has no compunction about killing humans....no matter how exotic the murder is. He could simply use the digitizing program to digitize anyone he didn't like and dump the digital data into oblivion, virtually erasing all traces of an individual. Maybe the case could be made that he had a mean/sadistic streak and was doing it because he liked to make others suffer but for a creation that was a mirror of efficiency one would think the MCP would use the technology he appropriates to his advantage in a less dramatic way...especially after he failed once and had his cyberbutt handed to him by a USER once.


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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Thursday, August, 05, 2004 2:27 PM
A older copy of MCP would not know this, perhaps...

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Thursday, August, 05, 2004 3:06 PM
Here me out on this- I figured it out!
seriously, this makes sense!

Bit is fCon's CEO!

Bit always wished he could be more then just a Bit, and after Flynn abandoned him in the Reco, Bit's anger at users began. after seeing the abuse Bits were being but through, he got more powerful, and bought fCon, acting like the MCP might to take the company over. with his of users as his drive, Bit learned of the digitization technology and realized the potential. Bit digitized the Datawraiths and tried to take over the world- unsucessfully. it makes perfect sense!
"After 20 years, I won't let this company slip through my fingers again!" <- posing as a user, Bit could easealy convince the fCon guys to belive he was a person. plus, he probably always had evil intentions, anyway.

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Friday, August, 06, 2004 1:35 AM
if Bit can be the Fcom's ceo, what does that make Byte?

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VPier
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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Friday, August, 06, 2004 3:07 AM
DaveTRON Wrote:Actually, if you watch the movie, the orange is disassembled, and then reassembled on the platform on the monitor.

Do you reckon it spent 200 Nanocycles in a holding cell waiting to be brought back to the real world again?

And what would the Cyber fruit look like with glowing orange circuitry?, and it would probably sit on it's identity disk hehe

Anyway................

Byte's dead though unless another Byte showed up, but do you guys realise Byte only consists of 8 bits, so how is he even capable of talking? It would probably be more convincing if he was called MegaByte. At least a megabyte consists of 8,388,608 bits. 1 Bit for every word it knows, that's believable.

As for MCP derezzing Users, well obviouslly according to Tron 2.0, users can't be killed, they just get sent back to the real world again, aka the Data Wraiths.

Also Flynn jumped into the MCP and basically bounced out of the system. Also, why did the MCP have a typewriter, now there's something from the real world that probably shouldn't be in cyberspace.

And last but not least, we have no idea what kind of effect the computer world has on Citrus fruits.

But anyway CEO stands for Citrus Entity Overlord, I think.


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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Friday, August, 06, 2004 12:12 PM
The MCP had a Teletype machine. That's the early Internet if you ask me. There used to be two ladies at Warner Brothers who sat in an office all day sending and receiving Teletypes from WB offices around the world. Pre-email!

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Friday, August, 06, 2004 2:56 PM
Oooh, so that's what it was?

I thought it was a typewriter. Hm. o_O

*runs off to look up the teletype machines, I'm a history geek!*

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Saturday, August, 07, 2004 11:10 PM
I didn't know that either. That's cool to know!


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VPier
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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Tuesday, August, 10, 2004 9:58 AM
I'd like someone to explain why he was typing away at a "Real World" machine like that hehe.

Also, we need a better picture of the human MCP actor before he moved his head out of view.

At least we know David Warner played the voice of the MCP with a bit of voice modulating done.

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Tuesday, September, 14, 2004 5:35 AM
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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Tuesday, September, 14, 2004 9:15 AM
Ghost Rider Wrote:If memory serves the actor that played Walter was used as the face of the MCP. I might be wrong though. Its been awhile.

I think I read somewhere that the MCP face is actually the face of Adam Powers, the Triple-I juggling mascot used in th animation demo "The Juggler."

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Thursday, September, 16, 2004 12:37 AM
Alright, now that I just read through 5 pages of that mess I'll try and see if I can remember everything to answer here as best I can.

First, personally I always thought the type-writer thing was sort of cool and I think you have to in part accept the world of Tron like an artist's abstract painting. It also helps explain one of my theories about who wrote the MCP.

When we get to see the MCP's real face, he is VERY old. Looking at the wrinkles, much older then Dumont. (keep in mind I mean in program years, not human. A few years is a pretty long time for a program to be around before it gets replaced or upgraded). The tele(what did you call it, dagnabbit, I'm not going back to look) concept also helps establish a sense of age to the MCP. Sure it has all of this advanced captured program code slapped onto it, but underneath all of that it's a very old archaic program. So I do believe that Dillinger wrote the base-code for the MCP. It's been around way longer then Sark though and therefore is much older - could easily be so old that we don't recognize it as Dillinger. I poked on the IMDB for the cast to see if I could find out who played the MCP's face for that brief moment, but couldn't find it. However, David Warner (Dillinger) is the voice of the MCP throughout the film and I think that fact alone clearly states the MCP (at least in its most basic form) was written by him. So yes, Dillinger is pretty smart. Perhaps not as artistically inclined as Flynn as a programmer, but still a very skilled number-cruncher, and smart enough to start a company. Also, the idea that the MCP learned it's other-system-hacking, program stealing skills from multiple Users doesn't seem logical to me, because with many Users involved in such a project, there's bound to be a leak of information somewhere. To keep this from happening, Dillinger would need a 'secret circle' of trusted associates to help him write this ultra-powerful monster that would go and conquer systems across the world. No, I believe Dillinger would've had to do this work himself, and he mentiones this when he says "It's my fault I programmed you to want too much." If all Dillinger did was write it as a chess program, how much conquering ambition could it possibly have beyond "check mate"?

Aside from that I don't have much to further give Dillinger a chance at being the CEO. My money is actually on the MCP. And here's my defense...

1. Why would the MCP use Ma3a instead of just using it's own correction algorithms?

There's multiple answers to this.

There are still employees at ENCOM from the MCP era. The old algorithms suddenly showing up would probably tip off somebody that the MCP was still functional. It's also possible that the original algorithms were an integral part of the MCP's code and would not work compiled elsewhere without a tremendous amount of work.

So why wouldn't the MCP just jump back onto the ENCOM system as a whole? Ok, let's think of a similar scenario. Hitler didn't really kill himself, is still alive, and suddenly pops up in Germany and starts rebuilding his the Nazi regime. How long do you think the rest of the world would allow that to continue? No longer than the programs on the ENCOM system would allow a veritable "Antichrist" to start rebuilding its empire. Let's also keep in mind that the MCP does NOT like to do a lot of dirty-work on its own. Sark carried out all of the killing, NOT the MCP. When Tron took out Sark, the MCP could've risen to full glory and started taking it to Tron, but it chose to beef up Sark and let Sark continue the fight. The MCP obviously didn't want ANY part of it.

2. Why would the MCP want to let more Users into the computer world when they're so powerful?

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Thursday, September, 16, 2004 9:52 AM
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I just can't see why the MCP would want to use people. People are illogical and unpredictable, and I can't imagine the MCP using them as a sort of comeuppance. I mean even if you go with your idea of his hating people, he's actually sort of empowering them. The Wraiths have way more power in the digital world than they have in the real world and there's nothing to suggest any sort of control method in place on them.

Hm... Perhaps. Let's put some things together here:

a) MCP might have had a backup
b) Dillinger wanted revenge
c) it's hard to recompile self onto another system
d) there surely is someone behind it all... but no-one said it's ONE person ;-)

In my logic, Dillinger might have taken the MCP's backup, port it somewhere and bring it back on-line. While MCP hated Users, and Dillinger hated people, MCP might have *used* Dillinger to get his revenge AND gain profits, which would interest Dillinger. Right? MCP would have it all, Dillinger would also profit from this delicate alliance.

In any ways, the MCP might have seen the Users as the only solution against users, true? Fight fire with fire, I guess. Like the Punisher once said, "Sometimes you need a big fire to extinguish one" (it was in my polish edition of it, so this is just my rough translation of "Czasami potrzeba wiekszego ognia aby ugasic ogien").

Anyways, using Users sounds great:

a) you don't waste your own microcycles worth of work
b) they *can* do pretty much themselves without any special programming (sort of pre-compiled libs or similar), and
c) they are expendable ;-) especially to MCP

Turning programs' Gods (the Users) against them is also yeat another way to repress and break them. Don't You think?

Besides, the MCP *did* develope some sort of 'AI-emotional-set' - like stated above and herein. So it wouldn't be so improbable to suggest that it may have also developed some sort of 'feeling of rage' through, say, 19 years, assuming he was restarted one year after the original deletion. And one year is pretty much, if you look at the speed our PCs evolve today... :-)

The part about it 'slipping through his fingers' - fits both the MCP and Dillinger; still, I'd rather bet on the MCP afterwards, whether they work together or not. The hdd version might have been deleted, but let's just say someone kept a pretty fresh backup-set of MCP - and that that version knew what it wanted and what it had? After all, it *did* evolve from a chess program, and thus had the ability of logical reasoning.

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Ok, waaaait a sec- back up off the MCP for a mo...

on Monday, September, 20, 2004 12:48 PM
How the hell could the MCP have gotten so powerful as to have started a company- there is no way a program could as the original transactions would HAVE to be in person... unless you're content with speaking to a spasticated camera toting robot that is... Oh, hang on- this is TRON, not real life... Plus- who would be stupid enough to
revive the MPC? Not dillenger who would be scared to HELL after the MCP's little escapade in 1983...

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Monday, September, 20, 2004 1:14 PM
I think Dillinger may still have played a role in this fiasco. Perhaps 'dill & the MCP are still working together. Ok, so they weren't getting along too well the day that Flynn broke into ENCOM, but that doesn't necessarily mean Dillinger wasn't at all satisfied with how things were going. He seemed worried about the way the MCP was taking things, but how bad did Dillinger really have it? Yeah he was slowly becoming just an asset to the MCP, but his position made him a very crucial one and Dillinger was living the high life. Despite the shortcomings, Dillinger wasn't happy to see the MCP was deleted and the evidence revealed. Clearly he would've preferred working for the MCP rather than go back into the world as a nobody.

Personally if I had the devious mind and lacked a certain degree of conscience, I'd rather be an influential trusted servant to the MCP than have to scrounge the bottom of the barrel everyday looking for scraps.

It doesn't need to be Dillinger either. The MCP could've spent time researching Users and at the right time contact someone that he felt could be of use. Perhaps an agressive hacker who's been writing viruses for years and hates society and the economic turmoil of recent years. Someone like that would make for the perfect outside world partner. Once the internet took off, such a thing would've been very easy.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside)

on Monday, September, 20, 2004 1:43 PM
Oh come on- dillenger was only unhappy because Flynn was gonna bankrupt him! he was terrified of the MPC- im english and he was (cheap casting trick- make the badguy british for evil accent) and I would have been scared sh- witless. And as for a malicious hacker well if the MPC was deleted and it really WAS a hacker then he would have to have done an EN-12 system and rerouted power to find the old files. The thing is Fcon was rich to a degree that for that ammount of financial stability to use digitization (and the risks involved) it would have to have been around from the '80's- ENCOM's time- when the MCP was still with ENCOM and I don't see anyone wanting to start a business after just being deleted or while still attatched to another. Either that or millitarily endorsed and I don't see any Army patents anywhere and DON'T start on conspiracy theories...

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