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FlynnOne
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"Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Tuesday, October, 04, 2011 4:47 PM
Often in posts, especially in RP, I quote Flynn's famous line – “...the old man's gonna' knock on the sky and listen to the sound...” One day my buddy Spark asked me if I really did meditate, and I said yep, sure do. That plus my form of prayer are what keeps me going ... prayer being the way to talk to the God of my understanding, meditation being the way I listen to what He says by quieting my mind enough to hear.

So then she asked if I'd teach some folks here how to meditate, and encouraged me to start a thread about meditation. Right then I thought – "Hm, a thread teaching others how to knock on the sky? That's a cool idea!" But then again, a somewhat daunting task - in a way that's like teaching others how to look at the sky - everyone appreciates it in their own way.

At first I was a little shy and not sure how to proceed, because while meditation is a vital part of my life I'm by no means an expert on it, and besides - "on the path of spirit we are always at the beginning" as they say, so I'm still very much a student myself. Not any kind of guru and don't profess to be. Just glad to share my experience, and glad to help others when and if I can.


Okay so let's get started with this......



I . What meditation is and how it's done

There are a variety of ways to learn to meditate. There are also are a zillion different spiritual or religious disciplines out there which incorporate meditation, and while they have their virtues that's not gonna be where I'm coming from with this thread … just focusing on the process itself.
At it's core, meditation is a very simple thing - it's all about just quieting the mind, relaxing the body, getting all parts of the inner self aligned, keeping in that steady state - basically tuning out the outer world for a while and bringing the inner world to a state of relaxed, balanced awareness regardless of the outer surroundings.

The posture you want is keeping the back straight – not forced but comfortably so – with the spine being aligned but relaxed. (also, as I learned, it's way too easy to drift off to sleep if you meditate laying down. Learned that many times in fact, LOL) Some sit meditate in the classic yogic “lotus position”. Some sit on a zafu cushion with knees bent (a la Flynn in the safehouse) and still others just sit in a comfortable cross-legged position. I kinda make a combo of the latter two, except my zafu isn't anything fancy...just a plain old small silk throw-pillow on the floor. Helps to center the cushion under the tailbone, that way the back just naturally stays straight without a lot of effort. Sometimes I'll even sit with my back resting against a wall or the couch.


II . Music or silence when meditating?

I think that's a matter of personal taste and comfort.
I often like just meditating in the silence, but when I was first learning to meditate I did so by using sound to help quiet the mind first ...would sit and listen to very soft music, eyes closed, headphones on, while paying attention to my breathing and remaining relaxed, and from there I learned to take note of what that meditative state felt like, and to try to duplicate it by just breathing and relaxing without the sound. Then as time went by, I also added some basic self-hypnosis/mental relaxation techniques too, to relax each part of the body from feet to head before starting to meditate.

….......so as for sound or no sound, that's up to you. Some like to listen to music, others listen to soft drumming, or the sound of rain, water fountains, crickets, etc. When I do listen to music, the music I usually prefer is a fave CD called "Coalescence" by Jim Cole and Spectral Voices. Would definitely recommend it. It's over an hour long, voices doing soft chanting, recorded in an empty water tower, which really takes you into a meditative state. But there are lots of wonderful meditation CD's out there to choose from.

Several years ago a friend and spiritual mentor introduced me to Tibetan singing bowls, and those are awesome things. For those unfamiliar, singing bowls are basically like bells which sit inverted, and when a soft wooden mallet (called a 'striker') is run along the rim of it, the sides of the bowl vibrate to produce sound.
The bowls do require a little physical action to keep the sound going, because you have to slowly run a wooden stick along the edge of the metal bowl to make the sound, so that's not just a case of "drift off and be still" kind of thing, but, it can be really soothing to master the subtle coordination between doing as little as possible and letting the mind drift while still keeping the sound going. Kind of a Zen thing in itself. Sometimes when you're mind wants to keep feeling the need to do something while you're trying to be still and meditate, the Tibetan bowls can help steady and chill out excess energy and stress, or at least it seems so for me.


III . Starting on the path …

I think a good first step is to find a sitting posture that works, and simply sit quietly for a while, get used to the process of just being still, focusing on the breathing thing, slowly in through the nose, slowly out through the mouth.

Next step – patience. Letting go of expectations. Rather than trying to force things and going, Okay, I gotta learn to meditate!...right-now-and-here-goes!..." instead try just being where you're at, meaning getting used to letting it happen in its own time.
And realize it sometimes does take time - if you think about it, when learning to meditate you're in a sense temporarily unlearning some of what your body sees as “stress survival skills” … you're allowing yourself to relax the body's daily fight-or-flight reflex which is the unconscious nervous system's common response to stress, and you're giving yourself conscious permission to ignore the constant inner dialogue of thought which makes up most of our daily mental process as we reason through each day. So, yeah, it's normal that learning to let go of those things for a brief span of time can at first feel weird or take some time to accomplish.

So..... a good start is, at first just notice how it feels to simply quiet the mind and listen to the body, to focus on the breath. Don't be surprised if all sorts of thoughts and feelings start jumping to mind - it happens - just let those pass in and through your awareness as they will, and rather than stopping to linger on any of them or to try to shoo them away, re-focus on your breathing instead. And, just be patient ... it's a “do without doing” kinda thing, the journey being as important as the destination.




Okay, I've rambled on enough, yet still feel I haven't even scratched the surface about what meditation is and how it's done. But now comes the "we" part of it ... gonna encourage other folks to add to what I've started here, to elaborate on relaxation/breathing techniques, postures, what music and sounds you like, etc etc.

And thanks for listening.

Peace...


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Kat
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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Saturday, October, 08, 2011 9:46 AM
We had a thread about it a while back, actually.... ah, found it. Not where I thought it was. http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=399839&pg=1

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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Friday, October, 21, 2011 9:16 PM

Very interesting man! I always need to make time to be able to meditate and just relax and be myself!!
Very good advice..I will book mark this thread. and keep it as reference man!

How do you reach your Zen thing?
I used herbal teas.. but sometime I use beer and other methods...

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FlynnOne
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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Friday, October, 21, 2011 11:06 PM
MCPcomputer Wrote:
Very interesting man! I always need to make time to be able to meditate and just relax and be myself!!
Very good advice..I will book mark this thread. and keep it as reference man!

How do you reach your Zen thing?
I used herbal teas.. but sometime I use beer and other methods...

End of Line!InkyBlinkySue


Yep, glad we have this thread going.

And to answer your question, I reach my Zen thing by just basically relaxing my mind, like the steps in my post say, ...just being myself, in the moment, focusing on my breathing, listening to the breath, not letting thoughts crowd my mind, etc. I'm not a drinker or a partier, so, no beer or other stuff for me. But to each their own.




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FlynnOne
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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Sunday, October, 23, 2011 9:59 AM
Okay, so, the other day I'd said I prefer to reach a Zen state naturally...one example of how, is with the sounds of Tibetan singing bowls.

Having one of the actual bowls to work with is great, but for those who don't, there are several CD's that replicate the sound and you can listen with headphones.
This one seems to be among the clearest and best of the CD's I've found so far ...



http://www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Singing-Bowl-Music-Meditation/dp/B000FOT87W

And here is the track-sample listening page for that CD:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000FOT87W/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img

Enjoy,...and,...Peace......


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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Monday, October, 24, 2011 4:26 AM
I've tried to meditate, I think I fall under the "ok lets do it now!" group. I've set and just tried to focus on my breathing I get distracted with a few thoughts popping into my head but I keep trying to focus on my breathing. After a few mins I usually think..........now what? I think my issue is I don't know what I am reaching for when it comes to meditation.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
FlynnOne
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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Monday, October, 24, 2011 2:17 PM
laphtiya Wrote:I've tried to meditate, I think I fall under the "ok lets do it now!" group. I've set and just tried to focus on my breathing I get distracted with a few thoughts popping into my head but I keep trying to focus on my breathing. After a few mins I usually think..........now what? I think my issue is I don't know what I am reaching for when it comes to meditation.


LOL, buddy, I know whatcha mean!...that's the group I fall under too.
It's common to have random thoughts meander in like that. Many times I will sit down on a stressful day to meditate, and instead of relaxing my brain goes something like, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to paint the ceiling turquoise? Bet that'll help me meditate!" ... or, ... "Hey I know! I could build a Zen fountain!!" ... LOL, just all kindsa' off-the-wall thoughts like that which are always about doing instead of not doing. I think that's a sign that the mind doesn't wanna give up it's vigilant grasp on the day-to-day, the "always taking care of business" mentality. Perfectly normal. In which case refocusing on the breathing helps.

What also helps me with the mental letting-go, ...say, if I've got a ton of stuff on my mind and have things I don't wanna forget to do, or creative ideas... I'll sit down and write it all out in a list, even if I know I'll probably not accomplish half the things on there. At least they're on there, so my mind can let go of them for a little while and relax. And then I sit down to meditate. It's like saving bookmarks and then clearing the mental cache.


What you mentioned,...the tendency to think "Now what?", and the wondering what we're reaching for - that's also very common. Kinda think that means you're on the right track actually ... and to explain - the catch is that it's not about reaching for anything, it's about the not reaching,...but, ... we all have to train ourselves and our minds to not reach. That's the part that can take some time. Again the focus on breathing is vital there, and just staying with it, trying time and time again, until you start to notice that you're able to let go of the yammering thoughts and just be, even if for just a few minutes at a time. That's progress, and it will continue as you practice more and more.

Something that helps me to recognize the "what I'm reaching for"...(or to recognize the state of non-reaching, that is)... is meditative music. I mention meditative music a lot as a tool, because, it does help to quiet the mind. Sometimes, with headphones on, I'll be listening to a meditative CD and will realize after a while that my thoughts have slowed, and that I haven't had the random gotta-do-this-now thoughts in quite a while. That's the beginning of the meditative state.
......that in mind,.....will share a CD that seems to be unsurpassed for that type of meditative state, and it's worked for me for over a decade now,..."Coalescence" by Jim Cole and Spectral Voices. It's harmonic throat-chanting sounds, recorded in a water tower and then synthesized digitally. Very echoey and otherworldly, wonderful stuff to listen to. It never fails to relax me every time, and to quiet errant thoughts, even if I'm just listening to it while working on a creative project and not just while meditating. I share that with ya, because it helps me to answer the question, "What Am I Reaching For?" while at the same time not reaching.

Here's a link where you can sample the tracks:
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jimcole2

Hope all that helps, and, keep trying...you'll get there. In fact just by trying, you're more than halfway there already.





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RE: "Knocking on the sky" : a meditation thread.

on Tuesday, October, 25, 2011 8:43 PM
laphtiya Wrote:I've tried to meditate, I think I fall under the "ok lets do it now!" group. I've set and just tried to focus on my breathing I get distracted with a few thoughts popping into my head but I keep trying to focus on my breathing. After a few mins I usually think..........now what? I think my issue is I don't know what I am reaching for when it comes to meditation.

You're doing it right. The fact that you're recognizing when other thoughts try to crowd in, and can go back to what you were doing, is what it's all about, really. That's why some people use a mantra-- I often do myself. Once I get going I can often drop it, but if my mind starts wandering I'll pick it up again. You can use a word, a phrase, a piece of music, in your head. I've used all three. Or as FlynnOne said, you can focus on a piece of music playing externally. One of my most "successful" meditations either was last winter when my partner and I went skiing with his family. He fell on a jump, got snow down his pants, so wanted to go in and warm up/dry out, and then got pissed off when his brother's girlfriend made fun of him for it. So we went inside, sat next to the bank of lockers right by the door out to the slopes, and while he stewed and cooled down for a while, I sat and listened to the stupid elevator music they had playing and drifted off.... in a ski resort hallway with a bunch of people walking past. Strangest thing ever. But, whatever works.

Thomas Keating has an interesting metaphor for a mantra. He says it's like you're looking at a river or lake with a bunch of boats on it. The water is, of course, your meditation, and the other boats are competing thoughts. So you make your own little boat-- your mantra-- and it reminds you to focus on the water, not the other boats. He explained it a lot better than I did. This might be it (the sound's not working on my computer so I don't know for sure, but I remember him drawing pictures when i saw it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pumnj0jNmXs

There are so many different ways to meditate, both in different religious traditions and outside of religion. I was at the metaphysical bookshop a while back and they had a book that I sort of wish I'd bought (and I probably will in future). I flipped through it and it looked good. It has a bunch of different meditation methods you can try. Very cool; something there for everyone, I'm sure. Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Meditation-Bible-Definitive-Meditations-Purpose/dp/1402728433/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319593223&sr=8-1

My experience is largely with Christian meditation/centering prayer/whatever you want to call it. So if that's not your method, take it with a grain of salt but just think about how you could adapt this/take what you can from it and apply it to yourself. I'll often use a phrase for my mantra, one that has some sort of meaning for me, often from Scripture. Usually it's "be still and know that I am God." But sometimes I choose others, depending on my mood and what I want to focus on, such as "create in me a clean heart, oh God, and renew a right spirit within me" or "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" or "my soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my savior." Some people choose a single word. If I use music, it's usually the Adoro Te Devote (just the music, not the words, esp. since I don't have most of the words memorized to even the first verse). I just think it's lovely and has a nice flow, so it works for me. I myself think it's important to choose a mantra that has meaning for you, whatever that may be, as long as you can still be sort of mindless about it.

Another tradition in centering prayer is the Lectio Divina. In short, you'll read a passage from the Bible slowly and meditatively several times (I usually use the Psalms myself), find a sentence, word, or phrase that leaps out at you, and focus on that (I usually use that as my mantra). You're attempting to find a personal meaning in it. You could certainly choose another book if the Bible doesn't appeal to you.

I had a revelation one day about prayer beads as well. My mum is a former Catholic. She's not into the rosary, because as she points out, the Bible says repeated prayers aren't going to do you any good (I paraphrase heavily, of course). But I figured it out (though this may not be the case for all people): it's a form of meditation. You're not repeating the prayers because you think ten Hail Marys are going to get you to heaven faster. You're using them as a sort of mantra and focus, with the beads to help you count. This may be a totally non-Rome-sanctioned way of thinking about it, I have no idea (I've never been Catholic so I couldn't tell you). But it makes sense. I use beads myself upon occasion (though not a Catholic rosary). If nothing else, it's a good way of doing a timed meditation if you use beads to count mantras or whatever. Many religious traditions use beads in some sense, from the Buddhists to the Muslims to the Christians (not just Catholics) to the Pagans.

It's hard to explain where you're trying to "get to" in meditation. My mom has asked me the same thing: what's the point? I'm not sure I've really got it myself. In the end, it may be a mindset, really. For a while, I was doing a short meditation every day on The Lord's Prayer. Most people who grew up with it would probably tell you it becomes rote after a while and you just recite it without thinking about it. I decided to think about it, so I'd say it to myself slowly with even breathing, etc., and really give it meaning. After a while, whenever I said it-- say, the recitation at church-- I'd instantly go into that same mindset. And that's the thing with meditation... it's a way of quieting yourself down from everything going on in life, and you learn to be able to bring that calmness even when you're not actively meditating.

Flynn even says something like that, in the part right before they hop the Solar Sailer. I'll paraphrase, but he says something like "Yes, we do nothing. Just be still." He means he's going to center himself and figure out what to do without a bunch of panicked thoughts and such breaking in. The equivalent of "stop and take a deep breath."

And remember: everyone says, it's not going to be great all the time. Some days you'll really get into "the zone." Other days you'll sit there and feel like you're wasting your time. It happens. Don't get discouraged.

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