let try looking at it another way

lets say rebels know that clu can read disks

lets say every program can read disks

also remember
from the descriptions of the disk:
"everything you do or learn will be imprinted on this disk"
so essentially the disk is a very sophisticated "recording device"

now lets paint a scenario:
what should be the standard operating procedure for rebels
if they attend a revolutionary meeting?

if they attend revolutionary meetings wearing disks
then they are all wearing recording devices!

if a program is captured by clu's troops, all the bad guys
have to do is read the captured program's disk and find out
who the other revolutionaries are, and details of their plans

so now we will say ok. so programs have S.O.P. saying
no disks during revolutionary meetings.

if no-disks-policy is the Standard Operating Procedure then
we have a problem with bartiks revolutionary meeting with
castor.

everyone in that revolutionary meeting was wearing disks. bartik
should have been suspicious of castor for allowing
the meeting to take place with everyone wearing disks.

so either bartik and his companions are really dense,
or disney is laying down the rule that rebels don't know
clu can read disks.

it may be over thinking but how else can we make proper sense
about the realities and situations on the grid - rules are important
to fanfic writers.

thoughts?

additional
think about tron:uprising do we expect rebel programs
to attend meetings with or without disks. (knowing that
disks are recording devices)

there is a solution but it involves over thinking and it's not
exactly canon.

extra:
btw for the sociology buffs - the identity disks being forced
on programs and recording all they see, learn and do is
"big brother phenomena" something the privacy advocates
are fighting

Subject1138 Wrote: 3) Sam's "disc memmory" did not go back only as far as when he received the disc. If that were true the only thing Clu would have seen would have been Gem and the sirens and the armory, but he clearly saw Alan holding up his pager and that memory was all the way back from the Real World. Obviously the discs are able to copy recent memory that is inside the program/digitized user itself. Or it was a movie mistake .

now that is interesting. if the disk can reach real-world
memories. that implies a lot to me.

i've always viewed the disks as something passive from
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Kat Wrote:Reviving because I didn't want to make a new thread. Do you suppose jewelry is possible on the Grid? For users, I mean. I know programs don't seem to have any concept of it. But could a user either take with them, or rez up once there (if it doesn't appear on-Grid with them, and it might well not), jewelry of their choice-- wedding ring, piercings, whatever? I'm not 100% inclined to say yes--because do you think having metal on your body would do something weird electrically? And perhaps that's the reason programs don't wear it? (Or is it just that they just....don't? Although, all those punk-looking programs in the EOL Club and nobody's got anything pierced? Riiiiight.)

i could not tell from screencaps if sams jacket or pants have metal zippers

from the comics flynn always arrives in his digital attire that was similar to
clu

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rimwall Wrote:let try looking at it another way lets say rebels know that clu can read disks lets say every program can read disks

I know I'm replying to an older post here, but I think you're right on the first point and wrong on the second.

I've always taken an identity disc to represent that program's subdirectory on the system's hard drive. All of a program's cache data, configuration settings, and log files are stored there ('Everything you do or learn will be recorded on this disc.'), along with the program code itself. It's basically a folder icon in physical form. (Which conveniently doubles as a weapon.)

I'm not sure if all programs have unrestricted access rights to one anothers' discs, but I'm inclined to think there's some hierarchy of permissions that limits access. I'm also inclined to believe most of them don't know how to interpret the information stored there. (So even if that custodial program did somehow get hold of Clu's disc and was able to access all the data there, they wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of it.)

I suspect Flynn granted Clu full access rights to other programs' discs and the coding he needs to make sense of the data there in order to perform his functions as System Administrator. Going over program logs to identify problems and patching buggy code are important parts of the job. Though I don't think Flynn ever imagined what Clu would eventually end up doing with those abilities...

(Also, since you mentioned nailing details down for fanfic writers and such, I have to say that the idea of Clu (and Flynn) being the only ones with that level of access to other programs' discs is more interesting to me from a story-writing perspective. This way, you can have that story about the heroes trying to intercept the captured rebel leader's disc before it reaches Clu, for instance, rather than the arresting officer reading it on the spot and learning everything there is to know about the heroes' plans.)

Kat Wrote:Reviving because I didn't want to make a new thread. Do you suppose jewelry is possible on the Grid? For users, I mean. I know programs don't seem to have any concept of it. But could a user either take with them, or rez up once there (if it doesn't appear on-Grid with them, and it might well not), jewelry of their choice-- wedding ring, piercings, whatever? I'm not 100% inclined to say yes--because do you think having metal on your body would do something weird electrically? And perhaps that's the reason programs don't wear it? (Or is it just that they just....don't? Although, all those punk-looking programs in the EOL Club and nobody's got anything pierced? Riiiiight.)

I don't see any reason why Users couldn't wear jewelry on the Grid. It's worth noting that a User's clothing undergoes a minor transformation when they're digitized, if Sam's anything to go by - it seems to be converted into its Grid equivalent. (Sam's clothes on the Grid had a similar cut to the ones he was wearing in the real world, but they were definitely not the same material.) I can easily imagine rings and bracelets appearing there in dark metal with fluid shapes and glowing details, suggestive of the styling of the new lightcycles. Or maybe some jewelry reminiscent of Flynn's vintage bike - pieces that look like they were designed by Apple, in glossy black and white plastic with little hexagonal accents...

There's some precedent for programs wearing jewelry, too. Radia, the leader of the ISOs in Tron: Evolution, wears what look like crystal earrings. Piercings may be an odd idea for the average Basic, but the Bostrumites, a group of ISOs in T: Evo, are described as "prone to aggressive self-modification" to better survive in the Outlands. I can imagine that "self-modification" extending to cosmetic body mods like piercings. (That might be another reason why the Basics never adopted the fashion, if it was considered "an ISO thing", especially after the Purge...)

Kat Wrote:Right, Clu's like the superuser. I wonder how it would work out, though, in terms of programs that work together. Say you set up your email to know that when it comes across a jpeg, it uses X program to open it. how does your email signal that other program and start it?

I envision the email client tracking down whatever application's registered to handle .jpgs, tapping him on the shoulder, and handing him a little glowing box representing the file. "This just came in on the mail train. Can you decode it and shoot it up the I/O tower to our User?" Something along those lines, anyway.

Kat Wrote:In my fic Noir, the main-character hacker program (in her natural state) has piercings, but it doesn't bug me as that story doesn't really take place in the Tron universe, it's merely Tron-like (though I did resist the urge to not keep it that way and have her try to get into Encom and meet up with Tron. I wrote that part just for fun but it's not actually part of the story). It's just IN the Tron universe that I'm not sure. Wasn't sure if I should ditch the part where Tron's asking my OC about her piercings (wonders if they have some sort of tribal connection) or if jewelry might be kosher.

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im having some misgivings regarding the topic of disk reading
becoming an interrogation technique.

the scene in tron 1 where the MCP was interrogating clu
and in the end assimilated clu and his disk.

the only data that the MCP was able to get regarding clu's user was
"it felt like flynn"

so either the disk does not store everything a program
learns

or there is a way to hide particular contents of a disk
or delete particular contents
or some programs can control what is stored on the disk

Kat Wrote:Reviving because I didn't want to make a new thread. Do you suppose jewelry is possible on the Grid? I'm not 100% inclined to say yes--because do you think having metal on your body would do something weird electrically? And perhaps that's the reason programs don't wear it? (Or is it just that they just....don't? Although, all those punk-looking programs in the EOL Club and nobody's got anything pierced? Riiiiight.)

the check-your-raincoat-at-the-door-girl has dangling earrings!
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thanks Argent.

to be honest i was not really looking for jewelry.
i was looking for the secret stairs leading to
the lower floors below castors.

and the area around the elevators are my likely
locations because that is the area directly
connected to the building. anything beyond that
area would be overhang.
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FlynnOne Wrote: rimwall Wrote: the check-your-raincoat-at-the-door-girl has dangling earrings! And, I just noticed in that pic...she has no disk on her back. -?-

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