Also, if the programs didn't have genitals why would they wear codpieces (Jarvis) and have breasts and/or crotch bulges? Ha. I know that the "real world" answer is that the actors/actresses have these things and there is no way to get rid of them easily, but if what you see in the movies is the Tron world, then they obviously have something going on anatomically speaking.

But really I think the whole world would be a happier place if everyone stopped being so uptight about their bodies and sexuality. It isn't weird or gross and frankly I really don't care one way or another if Yori's breaking Tron off a piece in the original.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

LWSrocks Wrote:I'm glad that Lisberger answered the question. I will reference that post next time I see someone mentioning it.

"And the idea that Yori and Tron could touch in a cyber-esque way, by affecting each other's energy and bring certain circuits to life that were dormant. I think that was a really nice moment and a lot more could have been made from that and there's a chance in a Tron 2 that we'll make more of that."

There is an exact transcription of what Lisberger actually says. Now I just put the DVD in and started typing what he was saying; sorry I can't find an official transcript of the interview or anything.
That is from the interviews on the special features disc of the 2002 edition of the film.

I was wrong about Lisberger actually using the word sexuality. It turns out that it was Bruce Boxleitner who uses that word when he is interviewed about the scene.

The producer uses the words "sexy" and "romantic" to describe the scene.

And I didn't even remember to mention Castor in my first post! He is about as suggestive as one could be in a Disney movie. Even fully-clothed and without using any kind of language at all he gives off an aggressive, over-sexualized vibe, very much like Alex deLarge from A Clockwork Orange. Even in the non-sexual parts of ACO Malcolm McDowell gives off...a vibe, I guess. One that Castor also radiates throughout his entire scene.

IsoLine Wrote:If it is any help the co-author of the original Story of TRON, Bonnie McBird wrote TRON as a computerized love story.

I actually didn't know this, but based on the things I've read/heard Lisberger say I think that Tron would have pretty different if it hadn't of ended up a Disney movie.

Thanks for laying that factoid on us, Iso!

better yet, treat the encom system as specific for the tron universe

the windows system is another universe. windows will never look like the tron universe.

this would still fit the multiverse concept.
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DAMMIT JEFF BRIDGES! I just cannot read this:

rimwall Wrote:even if we view ram's source code - the act of inserting his source code

after that whole post about sex, without my mind going bad bad places.

Kat Wrote:Well, on the most basic level, an encyclopedia program is there for the users, of course. But I don't see why programs wouldn't utilize it as well--after all, it would be hard for a user NOT to mention the real world, or for a program who's interacted with a user not to wonder about it. If there was reference material available, they would no doubt use it. It's not essential to any action storyline, but it makes sense to think that programs might wonder. The encyclopedia or dictionary program itself would not need its own resources, but Tron and Daft Punk and Gem don't have that knowledge built in, so they are like the rest of us car owners who need to go to the mechanic or the car parts store. We may own a bookstore or a computer store or a grocery store, but while we're specialized in one area, we still don't have the car parts. And the car part store owner comes to us for a copy of Oliver Twist or a stick of RAM or a banana.

This is just how I'm thinking about it in terms of breaking something down to what it is on a computer. It seems strange because of the sheer amount of data involved. For example, if you break it down into the number of bytes contained in something, a simple email is actually more complex then a lightcycle from the original Tron arcade game. (and by a similar example, a dev once said that a single windows 3.1 icon contained more bytes of data than ALL of the code that ran the old vector Defender game).

Huge troves of data like a whole encyclopedia would take up a significant block of space on a harddrive, and in my mind, I see that as being in a huge warehouse somewhere, like a museum archive with shelves full of cataloged documents and artifacts. By the sheer amount of data contained, there's no way a Program could carry it around on his or her person, anymore than one of us can carry a house around. Tron 2.0 seemed to have it right. An archive bin containing old server emails was so huge that it required a floating platform to get to different parts of it (like one of those tall ladders in classic medieval libraries), and the corridor was so vast that it seemed to stretch into infinity.

But then, this argument doesn't REALLY hold up either, because the biggest discrepancy in all of this are the Users who visit the Grid. Even if we had the technology to 'save' a human in a binary format, our bodies are so infinitely complex, that there isn't a storage device that exists that could hold all the information. But then maybe that's just IF the human were moved to the Grid... according to Dumont, the molecules remain suspended in the laser beam. Technically I'd think that would mean that while the body is floating in individual molecules, the body is dead and the soul of the individual is having some kind of Out of Body Experience. it's easier to swallow than the idea of bringing a pig roast (or coding it manually, which Kevin could not possibly know how to do since he's a programmer not a bio-engineer) onto the grid to eat for dinner.

IsoLine Wrote: Subject1138 Wrote: IsoLine Wrote:If it is any help the co-author of the original Story of TRON, Bonnie McBird wrote TRON as a computerized love story. I actually didn't know this, but based on the things I've read/heard Lisberger say I think that Tron would have pretty different if it hadn't of ended up a Disney movie. Thanks for laying that factoid on us, Iso! Yeah, there used to be an interview with Bonnie McBird here on the site somewhere I believe...Her account of what TRON was "supposed" to be is entirely different. In some ways she even sounded a little bitter over what the story became.

Though I wouldn't mind reading the original screenplay just to see if I'm off about this, something about Tron as a love story just sounds terrible, especially looking at the tidbits of that plot that still managed to find their way into one public format or another. In the trailer for TRON, it is said that on the grid, love is FORBIDDEN - a plot element that obviously never made the final cut. A similar hint of this appears in the deleted love scene when Yori tells tron how "illegal" what they're doing is. Something about a literal fight for the freedom to love on another just seems ridiculously contrived, like something thought up by a villain from Care Bears - though maybe, just maybe, it might make for a clever metaphor for the G/B community fighting for the legal right to marry, but such a political message would also feel forced in my opinion.

On the idea of the Programs being sexual beings though (and I'll ignore the fact that the idea of Programs having babies is one of the most ridiculous concepts imaginable - and maybe just assume that they can enjoy one another physically, but not reproduce),a very different perspective on the whole thing hit my like a ton of bricks as I was reading this thread today: Faeries. If someone were to show Tron to somebody who lived 100 years ago or more, they'd probably say that Flynn was a magician who messed with the wrong entity and got himself trapped in a Faerie Realm. The parallels to Faerie lore are actually quite obvious, but the sci-fi setting immediately pulls our minds away from such an idea. But really, think about it. Faeries traditionally are workers who manipulate the natural world. They're so tiny and fast that you'll never see one (though typically they're depicted as having glowing bodies or little balls of light), and they do their part to make flowers bloom, paint the sky blue, make the rain fall, or in this case, cause images to appear on the screen of a device that to all but tech and software engineers might as well be a magical device. Faeries, typically, were also depicted as being VERY sexual, enjoying it whenever possible. Whether or not Lisberger got any inspiration from this Lore is anyone's guess (most when analyzing the mythology of Tron, spend most of their time looking at the pseudo-Christian story of Romans debunking their religion by making them fight and die in gladiatorial games, and the "MCP is Satan who wants to overthrow God" parallel). It's an interesting angle to look at and I'm amazed I hadn't thought of it before now.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

LWSrocks Wrote:So it's kind of like the Toy Story theory- when the user isn't sitting at his computer, the programs now have personalities and attributes and whatnot but when the user IS, they exist purely for carrying out their function. And the reason that there wasn't more of the "carrying out their function" in the movie is because there was not a User behind the computer .

Exactly. Though in that case it might even be MORE independent, because it seems that the T:L Grid was created almost solely to observe behavior.

about disks

rebels don't know clu can read disks.

the interesting thing - when clu was reading sams
disks it appears to contain only his most recent
memories going back to insertion of the disk
on his back (weird and worth exploring for implications)

i don't know if clu and flynn are the only ones
who can read other disks.

worth noting too that MCP in tron1 and novelization
showed no ability to read disks.

rimwall Wrote: Kat Wrote:DAMMIT JEFF BRIDGES! I just cannot read this: rimwall Wrote:even if we view ram's source code - the act of inserting his source code after that whole post about sex, without my mind going bad bad places. then i see ram turning to flynn in the games locker room "dude! see this red pixel? know any good anti-virus cream." darn it now im thinking it.

"Now Ram, you know we've had this discussion before about just picking up any program you find on the internet. And why weren't you using an anti-virus to protect yourself in the first place, young man?" (Wow, malware and Norton/McAfee exist on the Grid too! )

LWSrocks Wrote:1. Don't know what made you think this post belonged here. ?

I think it was meant for that other thread about discs.

rimwall Wrote:worth noting too that MCP in tron1 and novelization showed no ability to read disks.

The MCP just absorbed Programs and added them to his own code. I would think that includes any info contained on a disc.
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