Because I don't want to clog the other thread.

For me, the key reason I get annoyed any time a movie starts hitting me over the head with any kind of "social message," is that it displays an automatic assumption on the part of the director, or the writer, or both, that the audience needs to be "educated" on social issues. This is why AVATAR largely failed for me, as a movie I'd want to see more than once. For all its visual beauty and outstanding action sequences, it hammered the "message" so ham-handedly, and with such dripping condescension on the part of the director, that I walked out of the theater knowing I wouldn't want to go back for more. Which is why I don't really care about the new AVATAR sequel.

Unless Cameron is going to significantly tone down his need to lecture, I'm just not interested.

As someone else noted, film (for me) is about entertainment. And if I detect "messages" I like them to be of the old-school heroic sort: the nobility of heroism, self-sacrifice, the virtues of honor and integrity, etc. I don't want an environmentalist lecture, a homophobia lecture, a drug culture lecture, or a racism lecture. I'm interracially married, and have been dealing with that particular issue longer than some hollywood writers and directors have been able to drive a car. I don't need their "enlightened" messages cluttering my movies!

When I go to see a movie, I want BIG vistas and GRAND battles and HUGE stakes and GREAT heroes!

Lord of the Rings was an excellent example.

I also loved the movie 300.

TRON Legacy gave me everything I wanted.

"Message" movies are mainly produced so that the hollyweird cognoscenti can feel better about themselves -- uplifting the unwashed, ignorant masses. Which is just hilarious, because most people in hollyweird are emotional infants and needy sycophants. These people have no business putting "message" into anything, on any subject.

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I guess you also speak to me because I started this discussion in the other topic.


For the general story....
Please tell me why almost everyone, including a lot of the veteran TRON fans (e.g. me) complain about the just mediocre story (which of course has social messages) of T:L when on the other hand praising score and visuals? (Which I do)
It's not the social messages which were too flat, it was the storytelling, which was not good in some scenes. Don't tell me the dinner and the solar sailor scenes were highly thrilling or had changing-the-world dialogues.


To be honest, I personally am sick of all those no-brainers Hollywood produced in the last decade. On the other hand, I was totally blown away by - to mention my regular example again -Inception for having an intelligent story which even overcharges some people, which I do not understand because you just need to pay attention in this movie. I'm sorry for being rude in this point.


I also do not like those enforced social messages in blockbusters. They meant ot be fun not to put the finger on the audience. Avatar's environment pointer was too much. I agree with you with any cell of my body.
However, have a look at TDK. This is also a big blockbuster and has a great story with a lot of undertones. They are there, they do fit, they are well dosed, especially in the Joker's text lines, but they do not disturb the joy and they are fleshed out way better than in T:L.

I'm entirely not one of those people saying Legacy destroyed the myth of the TRON universe. And I really read stuff like that and had to think about it if those people were right.... but I do not agree. Fortunately.

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Above all I believe variety is the spice of life and there is room for everybody. I think what I've tried to express is that some critics and film fans are like the kid you take to a Mexican restaurant and he orders the burger. Many people will criticize a film because its not what they wanted or its not what they are used to so they aren't comfortable with it and just don't like it. I also think that critics and fans like Harry Knowles does film a disservice when they result in using hyperbole. For someone like Knowles it is either the greatest movie experience ever known to man or an assault on all that's good and decent in the world. I remember being frustrated with some Lord of the Rings fans when those movies came out because many would say ridiculous things like once Return of the King was released they should just close up the theaters and movie studios should just shut down because no one was going to make another move as good and there just wasn't a point in producing any more films.
I thought The Dark Knight was a great movie, but it doesn't mean I want Christopher Nolan to make every comic book based film and if he doesn't that means the film is an epic fail because it wasn't made the way Christopher Nolan would make it.

I think some movies can be like a piece of classical music and follow a certain mathematical precision and hit certain beats at the right time, others can be like jazz where a lot of improvisation takes place and some kind of be punk rock where it gets in your face and screams at you with rage and fury. I think its all ok. When a filmmaker uses their skills to make you want to take that ride or have a dialog with the film and other viewers that is when its successful.

What's wrong with Avatar having a save the earth theme? Star Trek 4 had a save the whales theme and it went over very big at that time.

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T:L had some social messages, but not quite as heavy, hard-hitting, or blunt like other mentioned movies. Mostly, it just dealt with corporate accountability and the pros/cons of open-source.

Funny that you'd complain about this, though, as the original Tron has some blunt social messages. It was all about the government taking religion out of the picture - they didn't try to hide it at all.

Crom: You guys are gonna make my user, Mr. Henderson, very angry. He's a full-branch manager.
Guard: Great. Another religious nut.

Ram: Do you believe in the Users?
Crom: Sure I do! If I didn't have a User, than who wrote me?
Ram: That's what you're doing down here.

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I think its only a Film,to have fun and look in another World!

My Message is:The best Movie ever!

morgul Wrote:I think its only a Film,to have fun and look in another World! My Message is:The best Movie ever!

One simple question, which does NOT meant to be rude:

How many films have you seen in your life to say TL is the best movie evaaaaar?

It might be the best big blockbuster of 2011 (in Germany since it opened in January), totally agreed. Transformers 3, Thor, HP7b and New Dawn could be trashy stuff and I wont watch them in cinema.


@LWsocks:
The problem is if one is 12 and does not know about some historical stuff because one just did not learn it in school yet, its hard to undersand some movies. I noticed that when I was 12 and then I was 18 and remembered how stupid I was in comparison. Some movies I first saw with 12 were like: what?", but I loved them with 18 because I understood them more and more.
I'd never watch D9 when I was younger than 16 and was not informed about the Apartheid in SA. Fortunately, I did and so I'm happy to not be one of the "AVATAR IS BETTAAAAR, D9 IS TOTAL CRAP AND STUPID" kids on IMDB or rotten who rated this movie down.

So if you take a real historical background, fill it with some action and impressive CGI, build up a nice storyline on top of it, it can always work for a thrilling movie.