Finally saw it today while I was home. The theater was showing it. I thought they had already shown it. *shrugs* Guess I was wrong. Happy to of seen it now and at the same theater I've seen the rest of the Star Wars movies.

I really enjoyed it. Loved the droid interactions in this one. Loved all the visuals, the techno details, the droids, the action, the humor, and presentation of the film. There was alot more to this one that stood out to me than 1 and 2. I felt it was worth the ticket.

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TheJediUnit Wrote:I saw it in a digital theater, but saw nothing more than anyone else did as I understand.

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Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:Yes, true my "mark" is selfishly imposed. The "mark" I speak of, is a movie that I love and makes a definate impact on me. They need not be blockbusters, or even popular. For example, Dune met the mark, and it's considered one of the biggest failures in movie history. Tron is my favorite film of all time and it's constantly derided. However, that is the beauty of film. It's an art form, which is subject to personal views and opinions. Telling me to "rethink my mark" is somewhat unfair don't you think?

Well, there's a bit of difference between saying the mark and my mark. Had you made that clear the first time around and not make "the mark" sound like a truely objective standard, I'd have replied differently.

I honestly felt nothing like that in any of the three prequels. Did you? REALLY?

Yes, I did. It's really sad you didn't, because like I already eluded, the films DID deliver. Only, when brown showed up at your doorstep, you didn't answer the ring to accept the package like you did for the original films. I didn't know if I was going to make it through the births of the twins without getting choked up. I had to make it a point to not embarrass myself, and most likely my being a parent made it touching to me, seeing my boyhood hero being born in a magnificent scene.

My personal mark may have been easier to hit than yours, and deliberately so. But, who cares? If it set's the stage so that all the other enjoyment can enter so a fully objective analysis of the creation can be reviewed fairly, I think it's a superior point of view. I think too many adult fans went in with a cynical shield of excessive maturity as if to boast, "here I am, now prove to me you can still entertain me, old flaneled dude."

But my mark is, yes, personal and this film failed to meet it. And in the end, as with ANY artform, that's all that matters.

That's true, if one doesn't enjoy the art, they don't. However, objectively, and from points that can be argued for and are not quite as obscure and subjective as many would like to think, the new films are very much creatively in tandem with the old ones. Your enjoyment of the old ones is dated and it's not in any way Lucas' fault for not hitting your personal mark because you didn't really give him one he could possibly hit without a time machine going back to your childhood.

The more discussions I have like this, the more grateful I am for the strength of my inner child. I am not condemning you. If anything, I feel sorry for you, sort of pity you. You are far, FAR more forthcoming than many in your shoes about where your disfavor originates, which makes it clear from where I stand that you were so much closer to attaining that which you yourself claim to have desired. But, it passed right by you in all it's splendor, whispering in your right ear,... as you continued to gaze to your left.

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Let's not get worked up, okay?

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:Your line of argument is that I should lower my standards. Sorry, but I won't do that.

No, it is not. If anything, I'm saying that they're misplaced standards, inapplicable standards, irrelevant standards. The LAST thing I did when seeing the films is reduce my standards as a whole. But, there are many different types of standards.

I was very open and willing to be entertained. I am very in touch with my inner child.

1. I wasn't referring to you directly.

2. Good, only you're a rare case indeed. I would enjoy exploring it deeper, only you don't appear interested in it.

Your logic is faulty. That's not my issue. I am not looking for a road back to my childhood.

Don't be so willfully demeaning of my logic when I never conveyed I'm at all looking for a road back to my childhood either.

I feel THIS film should have been the nexus of the series and the strongest one of all six.

That's high expectations for what I maintain is, above everything else, a children's fantasy sci-fi epic. Emphasis placed upon the word... children's. So, no my logic is NOT faulty. Lucas has said many times that his optimum target audience member is the 12 year-old boy. Yes, one's inner child is crucial in appreciating these films as intended.

Crucial.

Now you're being patronizing me and not arguing logically anymore. When did I ever ask for your pity?

Oh, calm down. I'm not arguing at all. I am not patronizing you or throwing unrequested pity in your face.

don't being my personality into this.

Well forgive me for continuing down a path you begun. You brought issue to the fact that art appreciation is a personally derived thing and individually relevant. How can one NOT discuss the tides of public praise versus disdain or even yours and mine personally without taking notice of the personalities they originate from? I don't pretend to know you nor do I criticize you, however, I don't need your permission to evalutate the sum of all the fans' perceptions of these films and what they have in common beyond whines about midichlorians. So, while my last post I might have rambled a bit and not made it clear what was referring to you personally and how much was referring to the average dissatisfied fan, you can rest assured I was not intending to agitate you by discussing possibilities concerning your receptiveness of the film versus the film itself.

I'm perfectly happy discussing the merits of the film alone, however, as you might see in posts past, it's difficult to do that too when others besides myself change the ability to nail down the facts by beginning to tread into the fog and relativity of things that can't be objectively discussed, like "it just didn't hit my personal mark" and stuff like that, but I can't follow down that path without getting nipped at either for addressing those very points. Look, I'm perfectly happy discussing any aspect of the films you all wish to and not discuss whatever you don't wish to. You can make the rules, I don't care. Just accept the fact that I have positive reflections to present and are well-reasoned and will weigh heavy argumentatively in a mild discussion or a heavy debate.

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Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:I think there are always standards that have been set and you should try and maintain. I think this can be applied to anything in life, not just art.... don't you agree?

Absolutely. But the standards I waged against the prequels are the ones that made the OT great. And it seems to have succeded... to me.

Your logic sucks, you nuggethead!"

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It was a PG-13 film.

Well, that does put a crimp in my argument, doesn't it. I wish it weren't, personally. The way I see it, it was still a kid's film with adult measure's of violence plopped alongside.

it's not some deep seeded resentment of the prequels, or some hole left by leaving childhood. That's really not the case.

I see I must not have made my point very well. For fear of getting worse, I won't try to straighten it out.

I feel that this conversation has digressed to "You shouldn't feel that way."

Well... you shouldn't!

Otherwise if it's going to be about just how "wrong" my thinking is.

Well... it is!

then that's a bit boring for me to want to continue talking about it.

I don't see why. I'm having a good time with it!







...just kiddin'. Sorry for sounding... well, whatever I sounded like.

I agree, let's make this more superficial, eh? Let's find a random point of interest...

How about Count Dooku?

I found his character one of the greatest additions to the saga since Vader. Christopher Lee was his regular masterful self, and the character was compelling to me. People go on and on about how great Maul was, but I found him relatively uninteresting, nothing more than a guard dog. That's not to say I'm wishing there was more Dooku used, because it was nice to leave us wanting more.

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Your logic sucks, you nuggethead"

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I know you were just illustrating. I just like being shocked.



Okay, if you don't feel up to the topic, I understand. Only, I didn't win nor you loose or vice versa. It's just fun jibber jabber.

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Anyway, you're mostly right. However, it's not ALL a matter of abstract, disprovable points-of-view. Many aspects of art can be argued for or against objectively and with definative tangibility.

Ask any renouned music appreciation professor if it's merely a matter of opinion that Mozart is a better producer of music than Tiny Tim, or if there is also the presense of concrete objectivity expressed by the standards of musical structure and composition that are beyond the fog of personal interpretation.

Some art can be proven superior using standards derived from generations of academics, the masters' interpretive agreement, and constants.

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