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Shiva Laser

on Wednesday, February, 06, 2013 11:12 PM
Is it true that the Shiva Laser contains two canisters? Biogentic Molecules and Carbon and Water? One to transfer you onto the GRID and the other back into the Other World. So my main question is really, Did Quorra pull D.N.A from Flynn's disc to be able to transfer over to the Other World using Carbon and Water?

I would just like to know and understand the science around this topic clearly. Figure out which is hear say and which are facts.



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RE: Shiva Laser

on Wednesday, February, 06, 2013 11:35 PM
These are old threads and I've not read them in a while, but we probably speculated on that in them somewhere.

-"How was Quorra made into a flesh and bone human being in the real world?":

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RE: Shiva Laser

on Thursday, February, 07, 2013 3:34 AM
Troll through the threads Kat posted there are a ton of speculation, points and downright arguments over this thing. Basically yes there are canisters on the laser itself but you never do get a good look of what its hooked up too if anything. These could simply be a buffer system for whats in the beam NOW and perhaps a long term storage system lies else where. I would check the threads out and go from there.


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RE: Shiva Laser

on Thursday, February, 07, 2013 5:16 PM
I figured Quorra (and Isos by extension) were already some kind of hybrid between Program and Human, based on the triple helix pattern we saw when Flynn pulled her disc, and the mention of "digital DNA."

Mind you, this explanation goes into massive amounts of head-canon:

1) Flynn gets zapped and takes a trip through Encom's system, courtesy of the frighteningly-advanced Master Control.

2) When Master Control crashed, it took the digitizing tech with it. Flynn's pattern was stored, meaning he could get in and out safely, but no one else could. Encom has to try and rebuild that awesome tech from square one.

3) Gibbs dies, Flynn takes over. the board isn't willing to put any more money behind the digitzing idea because it's not making profitable results. So, Flynn appropriates one of the lasers that was supposed to go to the scrap heap. The Department of Defense, though, isn't willing to give up on it, and neither is Lora - so she goes to DC, unaware of what her silly ex-boyfriend is doing with her intellectual property.

4) Flynn's having better luck cracking those laser algorithms from inside the machine. Furthermore, he's testing the laser by shooting everything from roadkill to the contents of the arcade's trash can into cyberspace.

5) The organic matter mixes with junk code, broken files, and corrupted data he salvaged from the Encom system and makes the Simulation Sea. As far as Flynn can tell, it's awesome building material. He didn't count on some of that trash having enough human DNA (saliva, blood, skin cells) to start replicating and mixing with the junk data.

6) The end result walks out of the Sea, creatures that are neither Program or Human, but a fusion of both. Flynn (who's facing becoming a dad at that point) is thrilled about new life and not thinking about the Programs, who are pretty scared by this new development. They don't have Users, they don't have clear functions or directives, they generated spontaneously like gridbugs, and they can self-replicate like viral code. Unfortunately, Flynn doesn't understand their fear and blows it off.

7) Clu (always a bit of an asshole, even when he ostensibly worked for Flynn) is not only afraid of them, he's angry because they're interfering with his directive ("Perfect System?" Without any parameters on what constituted "perfect?" REALLY, Flynn, what did you expect?) , they unfortunately are attracting bugs and destabilizing the system. Worse, his creator doesn't seem to notice or care.

8) Adding insult to it all, the Isos are helping him with those laser algorithms. It's now likely that Flynn will be able to bring another human to the system. However, they are also working on the capability to bring Iso out of the system and show it off to the User world. Taking a Program out isn't considered possible Clu just gets MORE resentful about this development; don't the Programs (now denigrated to "Basics") deserve to see the world of their creators? Why the hell are the Isos being privileged over the Programs?! (In truth. it's because the Programs don't have DNA and aren't organic beings, so reconstituting them as matter would be MUCH more difficult, if not impossible).

9) So, after Flynn hands a pager off to Alan, he goes in to run one last round of tests. In cyberspace, the last batch of correction algorithms are stored on his disc, ready to find and Iso volunteer and use. Clu decides it's "now or never" and makes his move. Tron has to go first; break the Champion, and you break a LOT of resistance as well as Flynn's spirit. Follow it up with coordinated attacks on the Iso cities and making sure there isn't an I/O Tower or means to generate the portal back to analog. The Creator has been reduced to a fugitive, the Isos are gone. The system is now by and for Programs only and Clu has all the glory and attention he can feed on. "Perfect System" as far as he's concerned!

10) With the events in Legacy, Flynn's given up on the Programs, but placed all his hopes on Quorra. After failing to trap Sam in there to pick up where he left off, he finally gets off his rear and makes a break for the portal. But he's an old man, and he doesn't think there's a place for him anymore, so he gives his disc (with the correction algorithms) to Quorra because he can sense Clu will try something.

11) Sure enough, Clu tries a last-ditch effort to destroy it all, which ends with him and Flynn dead. Sam's human, and the algorithms already in place will make sure he can return intact. Quorra, armed with Flynn's disc, also has the means to escape to analog. After all, there's nothing in cyberspace for either of them anymore. Just death and nightmares.

It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"

-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing.

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RE: Shiva Laser

on Thursday, February, 07, 2013 7:11 PM
Kept searching different Sci Fi sites, read up on the real Shiva Laser, and visited other Tron related blogs and eventually found an interview with Joseph Kosinski where this came up!:

"Q - How exactly was it possible for Quorra to materialize into the real world? What impact will she make on the real world?
?A - Joseph Kosinski: Quorra was reconstructed from the Carbon and Water stored in the Shiva laser from Flynn's teleportation. If you look closely, you'll see the various canisters arranged around its base."

Here is the link the the interview in case anyone is interested! Im still searching for a more in depth explanation on it, till then. Thank you all ^_^

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RE: Shiva Laser

on Thursday, February, 07, 2013 8:16 PM

Here is a picture (well, it's more of a render) of the laser:

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