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Posts: 248 | User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 2:00 PM
I've got a few stories in progress, but I'm reaching a head-scratcher, and figured I'd take it to the jury. Namely, just what are User abilities, how do they work in Cyberspace and why do they work?
Here's what we actually have (and feel free to add, as I'm doing this by memory):
From the first movie:
- Hot-wiring a Recognizer.
- Partly Recompiling said Recognizer
- Draining a mook dry of energy
- Using the mook's energy to change his appearance
- Channeling the freaking transit beam using his body as a conduit
- Healing Yori
- Keeping Sark's carrier from de-rezzing
- Giving Master Control a fatal case of indigestion.
From the second film:
- Telekenesis (Pulling Clu back)
- Slow/speed up time (End of Line fight)
- A hint of a psychic link with Clu 2.0
- Healing Quorra
- Taking command of enemy vessels (the same trick Flynn used with the Recognizer was used to commandeer the light jet)
Tron 2.0
- Transmutation (Jet seemed to have the ability to use tools and abilities of corrupted Programs without suffering ill effects. He was also able to heal himself from viral attacks).
- Adaptation (Mimicking the subroutines and functions of various Programs, assimilating foreign programming into his own functions)
- Energy transfer
- Greater endurance/hit points/energy capacity than Programs
- Separation of energy capacity from hit points. (As in, Users have separate reserves for physical damage and energy drain. Programs have energy levels as hit points)
- Turning invisible (Data Wraiths)
- Low-grade teleportation (Data Wraiths)
- Draining energy from Programs
Here's some questions to ponder:
1) What other abilities might they have that aren't on the list?
2) Would User abilities manifest differently for each User? There are probably some "base powers" that come with the class, but some of the fancier tricks may be individualized.
3) What kind of weaknesses would a User have in Cyberspace that they might not realize until it bites them? It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"
-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing. |
trekking95 User
Posts: 2,440 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 3:33 PM
J Wrote:Taking command of enemy vessels (the Recognizer trick) |
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J User
Posts: 248 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 4:26 PM
Users can highjack enemy vessels as one of their abilities
It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"
-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing. |
trekking95 User
Posts: 2,440 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 5:18 PM
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Posts: 248 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 5:29 PM
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It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"
-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing. |
trekking95 User
Posts: 2,440 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 6:28 PM
Okay, at first it just said Recognizers, not light jet.
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TRON.dll User
Posts: 4,349 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 7:07 PM
J Wrote:Users can highjack enemy vessels as one of their abilities |
I think that's debatable. I would assume that any program can take whatever vehicles they want. Look at the homeless program who gets the lightcycle from Sam. It's not his lightcycle, it's Kevin's.
TRON 2.0 (PC) name - TRON.dll
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TRON.dll User
Posts: 4,349 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 7:11 PM
J Wrote:- Hot-wiring a Recognizer.
- Partly Recompiling said Recognizer
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I think these are sort of the same thing. He technically built it so he should naturally be able to drive it, right?
1) What other abilities might they have that aren't on the list?
2) Would User abilities manifest differently for each User? There are probably some "base powers" that come with the class, but some of the fancier tricks may be individualized.
3) What kind of weaknesses would a User have in Cyberspace that they might not realize until it bites them? |
A user in the computer can do anything they can do on a computer in the real world, which includes creating and destroying stuff, so they're kind of like gods.
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Kat User
Posts: 2,394 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 7:53 PM
I know I've been making some stuff up as I go. I assume users can create things in-Grid (though I'm not sure if the user needs to be a programmer or exactly how the creation process works; I have one user character who ISN'T a programmer but I let her create things anyway-- but not really anything very complex). I assume they can move energy around, just as Flynn did. I assume they can change their clothing at will, as well as that of programs.
I had assumed that some users would have special talents, yes. One of my OCs is able to do more with energy than most users in terms of transference, etc. (she can move energy without touching the program in question, though it's not as efficient, she gives an extra boost of power to a lightrunner though it leaves her drained after, etc.).
I felt like Flynn being able to pull Clu was because they were split from each other, and I did assume a program and user would have some sort of link (in one of my fics, Tron has been upgraded to know when a user comes onto the Grid/a new program is added-- to me that made sense if he's in security, he should feel when something's new-- but doesn't know who it is.... except when Alan rezzes in, he knows it's Alan. In a different section where the whole crew is in trouble, they hear a commotion and this program shouting to be let through because "My user is here! Close!" Cue program and user meeting for the first time; they recognize each other on sight and confirm it upon shaking hands).
I guess I never assumed he slowed down time in the EOL Club, though-- I thought that was just cinematic effect.
I imagine there's something to do with permissions involved too, depending on what level you have in the real world. I have another section from that same fic where Sam et al are tryng to convince this program to grand them access to [something] as they're trying to fight a corruption; the program says "no way" and turns away, and Sam grabs his shoulder to continue the argument; the program instantly turns around and says "I'm sorry, sir, why didn't you say you were a superuser? Right this way."
Downsides... hrm. Going to have to think on that seriously. There probably are some.
TRON.dll Wrote:J Wrote:Users can highjack enemy vessels as one of their abilities |
I think that's debatable. I would assume that any program can take whatever vehicles they want. Look at the homeless program who gets the lightcycle from Sam. It's not his lightcycle, it's Kevin's. |
But: he was *given* the cycle. Does that make a difference? What do you want? I'm busy.
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ShadowSpark User
Posts: 2,943 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 9:24 PM
J Wrote:3) What kind of weaknesses would a User have in Cyberspace that they might not realize until it bites them? |
Don't know about the others off-hand, but I could think of one Legacy weakness. We see Sam bleed in Legacy, well, that's not too much of a problem if it's just a scratch, but what if you get hit badly? How are you going to fix that? They don't exactly have blood transfusions in the Grid.
The way I've written it in my stories, is that if a User gets hurt - say, Sam gets slashed up, Flynn would be able to heal the wound, but he can't replace any lost blood. So it's a bit of a double-edged sword there. You wait too long before being healed, you're out of luck.
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Posts: 399 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 10:30 PM
This looks and at least in my opninion, complete.
I think The DataWraiths aren't capable of their powers without being digitized while wearing the special suit. F-Con was definitely altering their powers some how.
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Kaisergrendel User
Posts: 298 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Monday, November, 28, 2011 11:06 PM
J Wrote:From the second film:
- Telekenesis (Pulling Clu back)
- Slow/speed up time (End of Line fight)
- A hint of a psychic link with Clu 2.0
- Healing Quorra
- Taking command of enemy vessels (the same trick Flynn used with the Recognizer was used to commandeer the light jet)
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Add - Ability to reprogram Basics by accessing their ID Disc interface. (As seen with the
one guarding the Light Jet)
Question - Slowing/speeding up time at End of Line - are you sure?
Question - Where is the "psychic link" seen?
Question - It could be telekinesis, but could also be just a feature of re-integration?
J Wrote:3) What kind of weaknesses would a User have in Cyberspace that they might not realize until it bites them? |
- Having your credentials stolen and used to block your user powers or having them used against you.
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J User
Posts: 248 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Tuesday, November, 29, 2011 4:12 AM
The slow down/speed up time part was ambiguous as to if it was just cinematic or User invocation. I listed it to be on the safe side.
The psychic link? Well, it's another guess, but Flynn and Clu seemed to be at a perfectly annoying stalemate. It was implied by Clu's actions (not killing Flynn when he had an open shot), and some of the things said at the hideout ("he is me," and Quorra bringing up that the harder Flynn fought, the stronger Clu became) that you can't kill one without killing the other. It might also explain why Flynn had to remove himself; you can't fight a guy who can read your mind and use your own tactics.
It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"
-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing. |
Kaisergrendel User
Posts: 298 | RE: User Powers - what are they and how would they manifest? on Tuesday, November, 29, 2011 4:29 AM
J Wrote:The slow down/speed up time part was ambiguous as to if it was just cinematic or User invocation. I listed it to be on the safe side. |
Right, fair enough.
J Wrote:The psychic link? Well, it's another guess, but Flynn and Clu seemed to be at a perfectly annoying stalemate. It was implied by Clu's actions (not killing Flynn when he had an open shot), and some of the things said at the hideout ("he is me," and Quorra bringing up that the harder Flynn fought, the stronger Clu became) that you can't kill one without killing the other. It might also explain why Flynn had to remove himself; you can't fight a guy who can read your mind and use your own tactics.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say their link is psychic. I think the points you bring up are due to the fact that CLU was made in Flynn's image - naturally they think alike and are able to predict each other's movements intuitively. CLU not being able to kill Flynn - to me just looks like the same hesitation a son would have when faced with trying to take his father's life.
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