A question comes to mind, maybe its been answered...

How did Caster 'reinvent' himself?

If only Clu could repurpose a program, it kind of indicates Clu was the one who 'reinvented' Zuse. You could say Clu planted Caster as an informant all along, and part of the ruse was that Caster portrayed himself as still being rebellious.

trekking95 Wrote:From the sounds of it in Betrayal and Evolution, he acts the same way as in Legacy.

That's what I thought too. He "reinvented" his name, and that's about it.

He could mean that he "reinvented" himself by becoming a turncoat...

Kaisergrendel Wrote: Kat Wrote:He could mean that he "reinvented" himself by becoming a turncoat... Doesn't explain why nobody seems to recognize him though...exception Quorra, although she isn't a Basic so her experience can't be taken as an example. I always thought that when Quorra told Sam about Zuse it was implied he was some kind of masculine leadership figure, which is why his appearance comes as such a surprise when Sam finally meets him. Would anyone argue against this?

Well, that's the thing about turncoats... you don't always know they are one. It's possible that when he was a resistance leader, he kept enough in hiding that no one ever saw him and he used a go-between. It could be there are some who do know precisely who he is and keep up the act anyway. I don't imagine the general public knows much about the resistance, and it's possible that many who did know who he was are now dead.

Do we know that he didn't ALWAYS keep up the Castor/Zuse charade all along?

Castor reminds me of the Scarlet Pimpernel. Foppish party-boy by day. Resistance leader by night.

Of course... there's no "day" on the grid and he seems to be a fop most of the time. .

Kat Wrote: Vaporware Wrote:Castor reminds me of the Scarlet Pimpernel. Foppish party-boy by day. Resistance leader by night. Of course... there's no "day" on the grid and he seems to be a fop most of the time. . Haha! I never thought about comparing the two, but you're right!

I tell you who he reminds me of-the Merovingian in the Matrix Reloaded & Revolutions.

When you watch the Merovigian in both those films, we see that they both have slightly odd personalities, like being on the social scene (especially parties).....and can be quite sinister when promted.

ChessMess Wrote:Caster never came across to me as malevolent, just a bit greedy with a side of crazy. Clu felt megalomanic, but with a side of malevolence (destroying the EOL club served no real purpose, and what was his "special" plan for Quorra).

Yeah, I didn't see Zustor as sinister, either.

Destroying the club did serve a purpose though, I think. Clu got what he wanted from Zustor and didn't need him around anymore. I suspect the club served as a place for Resistance members to meet up, judging by some of the clientele.

Also, I don't rule out the possibility that Zustor was a triple agent and was playing Clu, and if Clu suspected that, it would've been a reason to get rid of him. Yes, he gave up Sam, and I think we've discussed before why that may've been. My argument there was that it was possible he expected Sam's capture to bring Flynn out of the woodwork and that's what he wanted. Or maybe he knew he couldn't hide the fact that Sam had come to the club, and knew once Clu found out, it'd be lights-out for him, so he just saw Sam as an unavoidable sacrifice.

I'm not willing to bet on his loyalty one way or the other. We've noted before that his behavior seems odd-- he's apparently this big-deal courageous Resistance leader, yet he acts like Frank-N-Furter and seems downright wussy when he meets up with Clu (*scared look* "you need me... right... Clu?" *big gulp*), so I wonder if that was an act for Clu's benefit.

I've also always wondered about his name. Someone more knowledgeable than I enlighten me as to whether it also is drawn from technological history, because otherwise I think of the twins Castor & Pollux in Greek mythology (after whom the constellation Gemini is named, of course). It could be the name was just pulled out of thin air.... or it could be very deliberate, which would be interesting to speculate on.

Kaisergrendel Wrote: Kat Wrote:I've also always wondered about his name. Someone more knowledgeable than I enlighten me as to whether it also is drawn from technological history, because otherwise I think of the twins Castor & Pollux in Greek mythology (after whom the constellation Gemini is named, of course). It could be the name was just pulled out of thin air.... or it could be very deliberate, which would be interesting to speculate on. That's pretty straightforward, I'm actually surprised you haven't found out yet. As with their convention to name characters after computing references, they named him after this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse

I know about Zuse. I'm referring to the Castor name.

Maybe Castor is a reference to this:

http://www.mpprogramming.com/cpp/

"Castor is a small pure C++, all header library. It seamlessly integrates Logic Paradigmn with the other programming paradigms supported by C++ such as OOP, generic programming, imperative etc. Blending LP into C++ enables new designs and programming techniques that are not available to purely LP approaches or pure OO approaches, but only feasible within a multiparadigm blend"

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