mastercilinder
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Posts: 399 | What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 12:09 AM
I know this has been disscussed before, but what exactly are the citizens?
They're programs: Ok, that's obvious. Are they all just little things already there? Did Flynn pull programs from ENCOM and they just evolved into what we see in Legacy?
What are your thoughts on this?
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LWSrocks2
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Posts: 415 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 1:10 AM
They are BASICS. Programs with the simplest form of programming, with the minimal information required.
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 1:26 AM
mastercilinder Wrote:I know this has been disscussed before, but what exactly are the citizens?
They're programs: Ok, that's obvious. Are they all just little things already there? Did Flynn pull programs from ENCOM and they just evolved into what we see in Legacy?
What are your thoughts on this? |
That's what I've always assumed.
@LWSrocks2: The problem with that theory is that Tron Evolution implies that Clu is also a BASIC:
| Today, we are BASICS no more! From this point on, we are all programs! |
The key word there is "We", which includes whoever is saying it. As I'm sure we all know, Clu is not a program with the simplest of functions, lol.
 
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mastercilinder
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Posts: 399 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 2:13 AM
| LWSrocks2 Wrote:They are BASICS. Programs with the simplest form of programming, with the minimal information required. |
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Posts: 2,943 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 3:43 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:| LWSrocks2 Wrote:They are BASICS. Programs with the simplest form of programming, with the minimal information required. |
Ok, but Who wrote them? It couldn't be Flynn because it would be a city full of Jeff Bridgeses. |
Well, in the beginning of Tron Evolution there's a character that says something on the order of: "The ISOs shouldn't have the rights; Flynn created us, not them."
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 6:35 PM
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Posts: 107 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 6:39 PM
| mastercilinder Wrote:Ok, but Who wrote them? It couldn't be Flynn because it would be a city full of Jeff Bridgeses. |
The thought of this made me laugh. That would be a bizarre situation for Sam to beam in on, but a good situation for a few of us female fans ;-)
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 9:08 PM
AzureDawn Wrote:| mastercilinder Wrote:Ok, but Who wrote them? It couldn't be Flynn because it would be a city full of Jeff Bridgeses. |
The thought of this made me laugh. That would be a bizarre situation for Sam to beam in on, but a good situation for a few of us female fans ;-) |
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 9:26 PM
TRON.dll Wrote:mastercilinder Wrote:I know this has been disscussed before, but what exactly are the citizens?
They're programs: Ok, that's obvious. Are they all just little things already there? Did Flynn pull programs from ENCOM and they just evolved into what we see in Legacy?
What are your thoughts on this? |
That's what I've always assumed.
@LWSrocks2: The problem with that theory is that Tron Evolution implies that Clu is also a BASIC:
| Today, we are BASICS no more! From this point on, we are all programs! |
The key word there is "We", which includes whoever is saying it. As I'm sure we all know, Clu is not a program with the simplest of functions, lol. |
Nah, he doesn't have to be a BASIC at all. One of the first rules of getting people to follow you: act like you're just one of them. That's how all the rich politicians appeal to all of the middle-class folks, yeah?on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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mastercilinder
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Posts: 399 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 10:07 PM
| CaptainCR Wrote:also only the first movie makes it appear as if programs have to look just like their user. |
So Legacy has /officially/ changed this rule? Did this just apply to programs written in the '80's? WTF?!?
Clu still looks like Flynn, because he was written in the 80's?
Do programs need to be of a certain complexity to look like their users?
Has anyone questioned Lisberger or Koenski about this?
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 10:21 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:| CaptainCR Wrote:also only the first movie makes it appear as if programs have to look just like their user. |
So Legacy has /officially/ changed this rule? Did this just apply to programs written in the '80's? WTF?!?
Clu still looks like Flynn, because he was written in the 80's?
Do programs need to be of a certain complexity to look like their users?
Has anyone questioned Lisberger or Kosinski about this? |
Well, isn't it possible that that rule applied only on the Encom grid, where the programs were likely proprietary and were written by just one person? It might not be a change of the times, just a change of the system, perhaps.
I mean, these days, really the whole game HAS changed. Which programmer does Microsoft Word look like? Does every computer that runs Word have Word looking like that one programmer, so are most systems pretty much chock-full of the same identical-looking set of programs? Are modern programs still considered to have users, and if so, is that user the person who wrote the program, or the person who uses the computer (and if the latter, what if the computer is used by several different people? Are the programs "user orphans" then?)?
Granted, Flynn was the sole user on his arcade grid system too, but I can still see why it might have changed since it was indeed a different environment. Or it's even possible that he specifically made it so the programs didn't all look like him.abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion
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mastercilinder
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Posts: 399 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 10:31 PM
Kat Wrote:
Well, isn't it possible that that rule applied only on the Encom grid, where the programs were likely proprietary and were written by just one person? It might not be a change of the times, just a change of the system, perhaps.
I mean, these days, really the whole game HAS changed. Which programmer does Microsoft Word look like? Does every computer that runs Word have Word looking like that one programmer, so are most systems pretty much chock-full of the same identical-looking set of programs? Are modern programs still considered to have users, and if so, is that user the person who wrote the program, or the person who uses the computer (and if the latter, what if the computer is used by several different people? Are the programs "user orphans" then?)?
Granted, Flynn was the sole user on his arcade grid system too, but I can still see why it might have changed since it was indeed a different environment. Or it's even possible that he specifically made it so the programs didn't all look like him. |
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Man, this whole "It's all Flynn's creation" is giving anything an excuse to be the way it is . . .
I digress, it makes sense. Maybe Flynn did have a way of retooling programs to his liking and make them look any way he desired. (sure explains the Sirens  )
. . . This makes the Grid seem like a fancy Sim City game though . . .
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LWSrocks2
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Posts: 415 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 11:53 PM
TRON.dll Wrote:mastercilinder Wrote:I know this has been disscussed before, but what exactly are the citizens?
They're programs: Ok, that's obvious. Are they all just little things already there? Did Flynn pull programs from ENCOM and they just evolved into what we see in Legacy?
What are your thoughts on this? |
That's what I've always assumed.
@LWSrocks2: The problem with that theory is that Tron Evolution implies that Clu is also a BASIC:
| Today, we are BASICS no more! From this point on, we are all programs! |
The key word there is "We", which includes whoever is saying it. As I'm sure we all know, Clu is not a program with the simplest of functions, lol. |
I think that was just him mis-speaking, lol
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LWSrocks2
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Posts: 415 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 11:54 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:| LWSrocks2 Wrote:They are BASICS. Programs with the simplest form of programming, with the minimal information required. |
Ok, but Who wrote them? It couldn't be Flynn because it would be a city full of Jeff Bridgeses. |
This has been debated before, I just think in the new grid, progam's just don't always resemble their users. I mean, if that was the case, Clu wouldn't be called a "codified likeness utility" (meaning a program that looks like him) or ALL programs would be called "CLU's" or "codified likeness utilties" rather than BASICS.
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Posts: 415 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 11:56 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:| CaptainCR Wrote:also only the first movie makes it appear as if programs have to look just like their user. |
So Legacy has /officially/ changed this rule? Did this just apply to programs written in the '80's? WTF?!?
Clu still looks like Flynn, because he was written in the 80's?
Do programs need to be of a certain complexity to look like their users?
Has anyone questioned Lisberger or Koenski about this? |
Different system, different rules, bro.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: What Are The Citizens of Tron City?
on Thursday, May, 19, 2011 5:46 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:Kat Wrote:
Well, isn't it possible that that rule applied only on the Encom grid, where the programs were likely proprietary and were written by just one person? It might not be a change of the times, just a change of the system, perhaps.
I mean, these days, really the whole game HAS changed. Which programmer does Microsoft Word look like? Does every computer that runs Word have Word looking like that one programmer, so are most systems pretty much chock-full of the same identical-looking set of programs? Are modern programs still considered to have users, and if so, is that user the person who wrote the program, or the person who uses the computer (and if the latter, what if the computer is used by several different people? Are the programs "user orphans" then?)?
Granted, Flynn was the sole user on his arcade grid system too, but I can still see why it might have changed since it was indeed a different environment. Or it's even possible that he specifically made it so the programs didn't all look like him. |
O_O
Man, this whole "It's all Flynn's creation" is giving anything an excuse to be the way it is . . .
I digress, it makes sense. Maybe Flynn did have a way of retooling programs to his liking and make them look any way he desired. (sure explains the Sirens  )
. . . This makes the Grid seem like a fancy Sim City game though . . .
Maybe he developed an app or a program that could just build simple little programs that he could populate it with, therefore they would all be made randomly, which explains the diverse looks of the programs. Sirens and such might be programs developed for his arecade games, perhaps? |
I think we have to keep saying that because the arcade system is SO different from the Encom system. It's full of programs that don't actually seem to have any sort of job to do (outside of Clu and Tron), strange beings that evolved out of a sea, etc. In the first movie, you really got the idea that you were seeing what goes on inside a working computer system. In the second, it's like a little random world that just happens to be inside a computer, but really it could take place anywhere: the real world, outer space, whatever. If you want to reconcile the two, you have to think Flynn must've made some major changes.
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