Clu23
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on Saturday, May, 14, 2011 2:35 AM
did the movie have a small message? or a larger message? no right or wrong here, just curious of other peoples thoughts =)
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Imbroglio
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 5:19 AM
Well, when the movie was first announced, I had very high hopes. The more I started to hear and see my hopes diminished to the point that I went to see the movie without any expectations, and was fortunate I did so or I would have been hugely disappointed. It seemed that Disney's marketing department took over and was using Daft Punk to hype the movie to the point that rave fans thought it would be a 2 hour music video and could care less about the story.
If they would have primarily gone with a strong character driven story line and fit in the special effects, instead of creating special effects first then trying to fit in a story, I would have been a lot more pleased. I wish the movie would have covered the time period after TRON until Flynn's disappearance.
Unlike the first movie, I felt little to no connection to the characters. I somewhat actually despise Sam as being a spoiled kid who is able to go off to do "important" things like martial arts training in Brazil and not have to work a day in his life. He also appears to be very familiar with being arrested. Were the writers trying to make a male version of Paris Hilton? I have more respect for Ed Dillinger Jr., since he had to earn his position at Encom since his dad obviously wasn't around to hand it to him on a silver platter.
What did it mean to me? Unfortunately, not much. I had no desire to see TL more than once and I still haven't even bought the dvd. There just wasn't any magic and wonder like TRON. The only parts that really caught my interest were the "low res" scenes with Tron and Flynn creating the new grid and the very brief "I fight for the users" scene at the end. TRON had the effect of sparking the imaginations of an entire generation and influenced them into computer fields. I just don't see TL doing the same. It was just another big budget movie made to take advantage of the Christmas Season of kids being out of school.
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 8:01 AM
I'd have to agree with Imbroglio- not completely, because I don't think of Sam as a "spoiled child" or whatever... but the movie was another blockbuster sfx-based movie. Although I thought it was awesome, still. Then again, I'm eleven, so I'm probably playing into the stereotype of "Us kiddies will watch anything with a cool looking fight scene in it and then we'll go and spend our parents' money on the toys!" and it's kinda true.
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Kat
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 8:25 PM
| LWSrocks2 Wrote:its the concept, not necessarily the execution. |
THAT'S it. I mean, T:L has merit on its own, but face it, there are a lot of people who love it just because it's something else Tron.
Spoiled child? I suppose, in a way. And, you could even come right out and say it: at times Sam's a complete asshole. Plus I always got the impression that he just took the whole emotional issue way too far. Okay, so your dad disappeared. Big frigging whoop. There are kids whose parents beat the crap out of them, or whose parents died in front of them, or something (or, hell, people whose parent{s} downright abandoned them and they KNOW their parent walked out willingly, whereas for all Sam knows, his dad is dead), who are better adjusted. I just always kinda wanted to grab Sam and shake him and say "dude, will you get yourself together already? It is just not THAT big of a deal, man. Get over it."
Though I do think there's more to it than that--Sam's got a lot of his dad in him, it's obvious, and I think he'd have at least a bit of an attitude anyway even if it weren't for his dad's disappearance. And it may well be that he just used the whole thing with his dad as an excuse to act like a douchebag sometimes, rather than it actually being the cause. Or, as my OC in my fic describes him:
I--everybody--knew he was the guy whose dad had walked out on him when he was six years old, and I had to believe that was a good part of what his problems were, though even then I knew that was only heaped on top of a healthy dose of natural rebelliousness and questioning of authority.
It's not that I dislike Sam as a character--I don't--but I can only carry my sympathy for him so far, and I just felt like they maybe carried the "wounded little boy" schtick a bit too far, so it comes across as either unbelievable, or like he hasn't quite got a grip on things and is a bit emotionally immature and that, IMO, makes him less sympathetic of a character.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 8:36 PM
Kat Wrote:LWSrocks2 Wrote:
Spoiled child? I suppose, in a way. And, you could even come right out and say it: at times Sam's a complete asshole. Plus I always got the impression that he just took the whole emotional issue way too far. Okay, so your dad disappeared. Big frigging whoop. There are kids whose parents beat the crap out of them, or whose parents died in front of them, or something (or, hell, people whose parent{s} downright abandoned them and they KNOW their parent walked out willingly, whereas for all Sam knows, his dad is dead), who are better adjusted. I just always kinda wanted to grab Sam and shake him and say "dude, will you get yourself together already? It is just not THAT big of a deal, man. Get over it." |
Oh man... there is so much wrong-ness in that paragraph right there. Losing both of your parents at the tender age of six is not a "big friggin' whoop" kind of a thing. I get where you're coming from if he actually did take it too far, but I don't think so. They never actually outright say that the reason he lives in a garage and is going nowhere in life is because of his dad's disappearance and his mom's death. Also, I think you might have forgotten that his mom died, too.
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 9:13 PM
I know its no excuse, but Sam is lost. Imagine having a father as famous as Flynn, who leaves you without a word. Now as Alan says, the company doesn't want him around so what does he do? He might have followed in dad's footsteps, joined ENCOM and been a great leader in the company but he didn't. I like the end where he steps up to the plate and matures at last. I hope we get to see this continue in the next film.
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Posts: 108 | RE: what did the movie mean to you?
on Monday, May, 16, 2011 10:03 PM
Imbroglio Wrote:Well, when the movie was first announced, I had very high hopes. The more I started to hear and see my hopes diminished to the point that I went to see the movie without any expectations, and was fortunate I did so or I would have been hugely disappointed. It seemed that Disney's marketing department took over and was using Daft Punk to hype the movie to the point that rave fans thought it would be a 2 hour music video and could care less about the story.
If they would have primarily gone with a strong character driven story line and fit in the special effects, instead of creating special effects first then trying to fit in a story, I would have been a lot more pleased. I wish the movie would have covered the time period after TRON until Flynn's disappearance.
Unlike the first movie, I felt little to no connection to the characters. I somewhat actually despise Sam as being a spoiled kid who is able to go off to do "important" things like martial arts training in Brazil and not have to work a day in his life. He also appears to be very familiar with being arrested. Were the writers trying to make a male version of Paris Hilton? I have more respect for Ed Dillinger Jr., since he had to earn his position at Encom since his dad obviously wasn't around to hand it to him on a silver platter.
What did it mean to me? Unfortunately, not much. I had no desire to see TL more than once and I still haven't even bought the dvd. There just wasn't any magic and wonder like TRON. The only parts that really caught my interest were the "low res" scenes with Tron and Flynn creating the new grid and the very brief "I fight for the users" scene at the end. TRON had the effect of sparking the imaginations of an entire generation and influenced them into computer fields. I just don't see TL doing the same. It was just another big budget movie made to take advantage of the Christmas Season of kids being out of school. |
See, I feel very much the opposite. I don't think I'd enjoy this film nearly as much as I do if I didn't feel emotionally invested in some way.
Without a doubt there were missteps. The story wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination and for the most part, yes, it focused too heavily on the special effects. But every time I watch it, I find these subtle things that really make me appreciate it more and more. These subtleties, mostly taking place between the characters, are what make the film for me. If nothing else, Legacy enriched my love for the original as well as the entire Tron universe. I find myself dwelling on some of the moments in the film that it seems so many don't take the time to sit back and really pay attention to.
I can't say I blame you for not finding what I found in this movie. Each individual person will walk away with a different message, and a different take on what was done right and what wasn't. What made this movie was the relationships between everyone. Clu and Flynn, Flynn and Sam, all of them. The ending scene on the bridge to the portal (as well as when Flynn and Sam reunite for the first time) is what I think of when the film is brought up. I could feel the betrayal and hurt inside of Clu, and despite Kevin witnessing the mass genocide of the ISOs and the horrible thing his mirror image had done, his compassion and forgiveness, as well as his own apologies. Perhaps I'm too easily invested in the characters. Who knows.
The original and Legacy are both on par for me personally. Tron probably beats out Legacy, but not by leaps or bounds. Nothing will ever compare to the original from a technical standpoint, as well as that sense of wonder. It was a brief moment in time, and I'm more than thankful for it. Legacy I appreciate for many different reasons.
As far as Sam goes, well...I could see my mother dying and my father essentially abandoning me being traumatic and ending up bitter over it. He may not be taking the reins as he should, but in the end, you still know just how much he loves his father. I don't know.
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Posts: 411 | RE: what did the movie mean to you?
on Monday, May, 16, 2011 10:35 PM
What does Tron: Legacy mean to me...everything. when Tron first came out in 82, my father took me to see it, in 70mm. It was the most amazing thing I had EVER seen. After that, - wanted to learn all I could about programing. I begged my mother for a Texas Instruments computer, and strted writing programs. I was learning at an exponetial rate. All I could think of was the potential for computers and their function in the real world. One thing stopped me. I was so teased and ridiculed by my brother and cousins, that I gave up programing. I gave up on TRON. It is a regret that I now tell my children about. "Never give up on your dreams, never let anyone sway you from your chosen path". Tron meant SO much to me, but to fit in I turned my back on it.
Then, one day, I heard the buzz about a sequel. It came shortly after the DVD release. It was a feeling I had. Little did I know, Disney had seen the sales of the DVD and a spark of interest had been lit (I find it ironic that bad DVD/BD sales may kill Tron 3, I pray not). I kept hearing a buzz on the net about a Tron Sequel. Then came the Comi-Con Trailer. When I saw it, I actualy teared up. I couldn't believe what I was watching. My prayers had been answered. Vindication at long last. In thanks to Disney, I have spent several hundreds of dollars on games, movies(IMAX for family of 10), sound tracks, remixes, 3D TV, 5 disc set, T-shirts, the works. My wife has been so patient with me, but for the last few years, it has been nothing but Tron. It was only after I explained my experience in 1982, that she understood. We are now planning a trip to elecTRONica for our third aniversary.
So...what does Tron: Legacy mean to me? A new begining.
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Kat
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on Monday, May, 16, 2011 11:05 PM
LWSrocks2 Wrote:Kat Wrote:LWSrocks2 Wrote:
Spoiled child? I suppose, in a way. And, you could even come right out and say it: at times Sam's a complete asshole. Plus I always got the impression that he just took the whole emotional issue way too far. Okay, so your dad disappeared. Big frigging whoop. There are kids whose parents beat the crap out of them, or whose parents died in front of them, or something (or, hell, people whose parent{s} downright abandoned them and they KNOW their parent walked out willingly, whereas for all Sam knows, his dad is dead), who are better adjusted. I just always kinda wanted to grab Sam and shake him and say "dude, will you get yourself together already? It is just not THAT big of a deal, man. Get over it." |
Oh man... there is so much wrong-ness in that paragraph right there. Losing both of your parents at the tender age of six is not a "big friggin' whoop" kind of a thing. I get where you're coming from if he actually did take it too far, but I don't think so. They never actually outright say that the reason he lives in a garage and is going nowhere in life is because of his dad's disappearance and his mom's death. Also, I think you might have forgotten that his mom died, too.
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Right, what happened to him wasn't fun, but it and worse happen to people all the time and they don't turn into uncontrollable children who are on a first-name basis with the police, do wild stuff to get attention, and sabotage Fortune 500 companies just for a lark. |
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on Tuesday, May, 17, 2011 2:29 AM
You have a point, I kinda agree, but... I just don't think that saying "Well, other people have it worse," can make a situation any less sucky. I've found that if, say, your father threw acid on you as a child, how is saying "I knew a person who was at Chernoble during the nuclear crisis. He dissolved into a billion pieces after living for weeks being a useless lump constantly feeling pain and poisoning everything that he touched. His wife gave him a hug one day and the same thing happened to her!" gonna make you feel better?
Not to mention, as I said before, I don't remember it being suggested that his "sabotaging a fortune 500 company" and doing all of the stuff you mentioned in your last post was all a side-effect of losing his parents, I think he would've done that stuff dad or no dad, mom or no mom. Because with all of the prequel media that was released along with Legacy (like evolution and Betrayal) outside of betrayal, we never see anything happen with Sam, for all we know he had a rough childhood (you know, OUTSIDE of losing both parents) and something ELSE really traumatizing happened that will be explained in TR3N.
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Posts: 168 | RE: what did the movie mean to you?
on Tuesday, May, 17, 2011 12:17 PM
The thing with T:L is that it is like that tree on Dagobah, where you get out of the experience only as much as you went in with.
For some it's just shallow eye-candy, but I did find layers and layers of ideas and concepts that are certainly too complex to really make them justice in a two hour film. I liked the father-son story, but I was fascinated by the core concept of the ISO's and the parallels between Creationism and Computer Programming as depicted in the movie.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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on Tuesday, May, 17, 2011 5:00 PM
Errex Wrote:The thing with T:L is that it is like that tree on Dagobah, where you get out of the experience only as much as you went in with.
For some it's just shallow eye-candy, but I did find layers and layers of ideas and concepts that are certainly too complex to really make them justice in a two hour film. I liked the father-son story, but I was fascinated by the core concept of the ISO's and the parallels between Creationism and Computer Programming as depicted in the movie. |
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on Tuesday, May, 17, 2011 9:01 PM
It meant a chance to relieve the magic and excitement I felt as a kid. It was a chance to visit a world I thought I'd never see again. It was a chance to reconnect with my younger self. I still remember sitting in the theatre and looking at the screen and seeing the light cycles and the tanks and my jaw dropping and watching in glorious amazement. I loved computers, and TRON feed right into that. I'm glad I lived long enough to have seen the sequel, I'm sure there are many TRON fans who, like Ram, didn't make it.
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Kat
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on Tuesday, May, 17, 2011 10:16 PM
LWSrocks2 Wrote:You have a point, I kinda agree, but... I just don't think that saying "Well, other people have it worse," can make a situation any less sucky. I've found that if, say, your father threw acid on you as a child, how is saying "I knew a person who was at Chernoble during the nuclear crisis. He dissolved into a billion pieces after living for weeks being a useless lump constantly feeling pain and poisoning everything that he touched. His wife gave him a hug one day and the same thing happened to her!" gonna make you feel better?
Not to mention, as I said before, I don't remember it being suggested that his "sabotaging a fortune 500 company" and doing all of the stuff you mentioned in your last post was all a side-effect of losing his parents, I think he would've done that stuff dad or no dad, mom or no mom. Because with all of the prequel media that was released along with Legacy (like evolution and Betrayal) outside of betrayal, we never see anything happen with Sam, for all we know he had a rough childhood (you know, OUTSIDE of losing both parents) and something ELSE really traumatizing happened that will be explained in TR3N. |
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that because one thing is worse than another thing, that the other thing isn't bad. What I DID say was that it is something a lot of people go through every day, and they still turn into well-adjusted people, and even people who've gone through worse still become well-adjusted people.
I think it's pretty implied in the movie that Sam's got issues because of his dad disappearing. Go ahead and think whatever you want about why Sam is the way he is, but don't criticize me just because I happened to get a different message from the movie than you did. One way, Sam's overreacting to something bad that happened in his childhood. The other, he's just plain an asshole. Your choice.
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on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 11:49 AM
i think i got a good amount of responses on this =). some people didnt think it ment much, and to others they can really relate to the movie. but i guess its all about how u see it. i think Tron: Legacy is a great mixture of eye candy, with an awesome story line. What the movie ment to me though? i can really relate to Sam because his father disappeared on his as did mine.
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on Wednesday, May, 18, 2011 10:13 PM
| Clu23 Wrote:i think i got a good amount of responses on this =). some people didnt think it ment much, and to others they can really relate to the movie. but i guess its all about how u see it. i think Tron: Legacy is a great mixture of eye candy, with an awesome story line. What the movie ment to me though? i can really relate to Sam because his father disappeared on his as did mine. |
Sorry to hear that. I'm sure you will heal through your own children. Just before Legacy hit theaters, my oldest son left his mothers house for good. At 18, I was worried for him, but I gave him all he needed as dad. He had been gone two months, by December, with no word. What really got to me in Legacy, was the hug Sam's father gave him, and the response he gave CLU at the I/O Tower.
CLU, (after he find the discs have been switched). "WHY!!!!!!!!..."
Flynn, "because he's my SON."
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on Thursday, May, 19, 2011 3:34 PM
| IluthraDanar Wrote:I know its no excuse, but Sam is lost. Imagine having a father as famous as Flynn, who leaves you without a word. Now as Alan says, the company doesn't want him around so what does he do? He might have followed in dad's footsteps, joined ENCOM and been a great leader in the company but he didn't. I like the end where he steps up to the plate and matures at last. I hope we get to see this continue in the next film. |
In the real world, people who,for years act like Sam, do not "mature" overnight and only give a temporary and superficial appearance of doing so. He will revert back to his anti-social behavior after experiencing 1 week of corporate culture and want out. Meetings to decide when to have meetings. MBA's living up to their master of backstabbing and asskissing degrees. Lots of non-extreme games type of activity. I can see the board of directors having a vote of no confidence and programmers bailing ENCOM after they find out he was the culprit behind releasing their OS for free.
The best thing he can do is just let Alan run the company and go back to collecting his monthly stock dividends check and living his Paris Hilton life.
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Kat
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on Thursday, May, 19, 2011 5:27 PM
Imbroglio Wrote:| IluthraDanar Wrote:I know its no excuse, but Sam is lost. Imagine having a father as famous as Flynn, who leaves you without a word. Now as Alan says, the company doesn't want him around so what does he do? He might have followed in dad's footsteps, joined ENCOM and been a great leader in the company but he didn't. I like the end where he steps up to the plate and matures at last. I hope we get to see this continue in the next film. |
In the real world, people who,for years act like Sam, do not "mature" overnight and only give a temporary and superficial appearance of doing so. He will revert back to his anti-social behavior after experiencing 1 week of corporate culture and want out. Meetings to decide when to have meetings. MBA's living up to their master of backstabbing and asskissing degrees. Lots of non-extreme games type of activity. I can see the board of directors having a vote of no confidence and programmers bailing ENCOM after they find out he was the culprit behind releasing their OS for free.
The best thing he can do is just let Alan run the company and go back to collecting his monthly stock dividends check and living his Paris Hilton life. |
Y'know, is he definitely taking over at Encom, or is he just using his "majority stockholder" powers to put Alan more in charge? Can he do that? (I know nothing about corporate law)
But yeah, I can't see him putting in 80-hour weeks and sitting in boring meetings.
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on Friday, May, 20, 2011 11:48 PM
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on Saturday, May, 21, 2011 12:18 AM
Kat Wrote:Imbroglio Wrote:| IluthraDanar Wrote:I know its no excuse, but Sam is lost. Imagine having a father as famous as Flynn, who leaves you without a word. Now as Alan says, the company doesn't want him around so what does he do? He might have followed in dad's footsteps, joined ENCOM and been a great leader in the company but he didn't. I like the end where he steps up to the plate and matures at last. I hope we get to see this continue in the next film. |
In the real world, people who,for years act like Sam, do not "mature" overnight and only give a temporary and superficial appearance of doing so. He will revert back to his anti-social behavior after experiencing 1 week of corporate culture and want out. Meetings to decide when to have meetings. MBA's living up to their master of backstabbing and asskissing degrees. Lots of non-extreme games type of activity. I can see the board of directors having a vote of no confidence and programmers bailing ENCOM after they find out he was the culprit behind releasing their OS for free.
The best thing he can do is just let Alan run the company and go back to collecting his monthly stock dividends check and living his Paris Hilton life. |
Y'know, is he definitely taking over at Encom, or is he just using his "majority stockholder" powers to put Alan more in charge? Can he do that? (I know nothing about corporate law)
But yeah, I can't see him putting in 80-hour weeks and sitting in boring meetings. |
Well, I do know of people eho get all fired up and then that dies. Sam has just met his father after years without him. He might be very excited about getting back what his father created, and not be so interested in ENCOM itself. As long as Alan is there, it should be ok.
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