I'm watching the film on youtube, and am at the Siren scene. Now one of the Sirens said Sam was different. What was she referring to? As I watched them slice up his clothing, it made me wonder, how could they even slice it up if clothing just rezzes onto a program?And do programs wear boxers (or briefs)? And if programs are neutered, would they seem to be more like Ken dolls, and Sam wouldn't be of course. Is this what she was talking about? Just didn't know why she would think he was different without much contact.

ShadowSpark Wrote:His voice, maybe? Sam's doesn't have that computer-ish noise behind it.

Yeah, but neither do alot of programs. Clu doesn't, Quorra doesn't, and so on, and so on. The ones with the semi-robotic voices are the ones without many important functions. Gem exists for the sole purpose of preparing warriors for the games, just like the other sirens.

As I said in another thread, there's no doubt in my mind that a Program's "skin" is smooth and featureless and possesses none of the biological structures a human has such as body hair, genitals or excretory organs, or even sweat glands or pores. If you were to strip Gem down, she'd be very much like a Barbie doll.

I'm sure that for the purpose of joining with or pleasing Users, a Program could be modified to possess simulated sexual characteristics and functioning. But I don't believe they normally have them, they'd have to be hacked to add that functionality.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online

user897returns Wrote:So much thought into things.... I believe it is something like "digital self image" as explained in The Matrix. What the Sirens were seeing was, it could be argued, a result of his mind and what he remembers himself looking like.

There's more to it than that. Sam bled when cut, which instantly and immediately identified him as human to Rinzler. Programs aren't constructed of flesh and blood, as we see when they are injured, but humans in the system remain so.

This is different from the original Grid, where Flynn seemed very much like any other program whilst in the Grid but with some powers of control. It could be a function of the later Grid's greater processing power enable it to fully simulate a human down to the biological details where the original Grid could not. Much in the later Grid seems more accurately simulated even when it's unnecessary to do so.

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DarthMeow504 Wrote:As I said in another thread, there's no doubt in my mind that a Program's "skin" is smooth and featureless and possesses none of the biological structures a human has such as body hair, genitals or excretory organs, or even sweat glands or pores. If you were to strip Gem down, she'd be very much like a Barbie doll.

I tend to agree with you on this one. Depending on which grid we are speaking of, and/or if Flynn purposefully created each program as userlike as possible they may or may not have genitals or even know what to do with them Of course, pleasure programs would LoL

It is too early for these images in my head *swoons*

I'm sure that for the purpose of joining with or pleasing Users, a Program could be modified to possess simulated sexual characteristics and functioning. But I don't believe they normally have them, they'd have to be hacked to add that functionality.

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I think what they were referring to when she said "He's different" is maybe they knew he was a User.
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Tron Fanatic Wrote:With all that has already happened on these forums in the past few months, I can't believe someone actually used that as a thread title.

Didn't mean to offend anyone. I try to make a title that someone can at least venture a guess on what the query is about. Maybe a play on words as I was more interested in how the Siren figured Sam was different. When Ram says that to Tron in the first film, he had quite a conversation with Flynn first, so it might make sense he would think FLynn was different. Or as someone else said, a sense, a feeling, that hey, this guy is not a program, but how can that be type thing.

The way the Sirens undress him, and yet I don't think completely (right?), was odd. Why not just digitize Sam a new outfit. But then, the fact his clothing isn't digitized to begin with could be a clue to the Siren?

I wonder how long the writers discussed how to do this scene.

something of note also:

in tron1 the laser did not digitize flynn's clothes
into the grid.

while in legacy the laser digitized sam's clothes
into the grid.

one probable reason for this modification
is that flynn wanted to study how digitized objects
from the real world act inside the grid.
or how digitized real-world objects are changed
by the laser or by grid physics.

Mordecai9 Wrote:Okay, may I just mention that you guys are being TOTALLY DISGUSTING?!

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In response to thread title, "Bits?"

I know some want to theorize about every detail, but maybe we're getting a little carried away with some discussion topics. Please know I come in peace and mean no harm.

Example, I half-expect a topic asking do programs have to get a haircut and hair styled? If so, who is their hairstylist? Or do they just always look like that? Quorra has a bedroom, so does she have to get ready every "day"/"cycle"? I guess these types of questions don't appeal to me. Sorry OP! I'm just not on the same wavelength, I suppose. Then again, what else is there to talk about.

Maybe the Tron classic discussions were like this for years and I just never realized. Hmm... That would make me a bit upset, if true