IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | What is under a program's clothing? on Wednesday, May, 11, 2011 9:59 PM
I'm watching the film on youtube, and am at the Siren scene. Now one of the Sirens said Sam was different. What was she referring to? As I watched them slice up his clothing, it made me wonder, how could they even slice it up if clothing just rezzes onto a program?And do programs wear boxers (or briefs)? And if programs are neutered, would they seem to be more like Ken dolls, and Sam wouldn't be of course. Is this what she was talking about? Just didn't know why she would think he was different without much contact.
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ShadowSpark User
Posts: 2,943 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 12:25 AM
His voice, maybe? Sam's doesn't have that computer-ish noise behind it.
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Posts: 415 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 12:49 AM
ShadowSpark Wrote:His voice, maybe? Sam's doesn't have that computer-ish noise behind it. |
Yeah, but neither do alot of programs. Clu doesn't, Quorra doesn't, and so on, and so on. The ones with the semi-robotic voices are the ones without many important functions. Gem exists for the sole purpose of preparing warriors for the games, just like the other sirens.
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Posts: 507 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 1:14 AM
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DarthMeow504 User
Posts: 134 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 2:06 AM
As I said in another thread, there's no doubt in my mind that a Program's "skin" is smooth and featureless and possesses none of the biological structures a human has such as body hair, genitals or excretory organs, or even sweat glands or pores. If you were to strip Gem down, she'd be very much like a Barbie doll.
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Posts: 134 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 8:11 AM
user897returns Wrote:So much thought into things....
I believe it is something like "digital self image" as explained in The Matrix. What the Sirens were seeing was, it could be argued, a result of his mind and what he remembers himself looking like. |
There's more to it than that. Sam bled when cut, which instantly and immediately identified him as human to Rinzler. Programs aren't constructed of flesh and blood, as we see when they are injured, but humans in the system remain so.
This is different from the original Grid, where Flynn seemed very much like any other program whilst in the Grid but with some powers of control. It could be a function of the later Grid's greater processing power enable it to fully simulate a human down to the biological details where the original Grid could not. Much in the later Grid seems more accurately simulated even when it's unnecessary to do so.
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mastercilinder User
Posts: 399 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 10:42 AM
I always figured it was a sixth-sense type deal. She just felt that he was different somehow, maybe the clothes he had on while coming in had something to do with it?
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Posts: 265 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 11:28 AM
DarthMeow504 Wrote:As I said in another thread, there's no doubt in my mind that a Program's "skin" is smooth and featureless and possesses none of the biological structures a human has such as body hair, genitals or excretory organs, or even sweat glands or pores. If you were to strip Gem down, she'd be very much like a Barbie doll. |
I tend to agree with you on this one. Depending on which grid we are speaking of, and/or if Flynn purposefully created each program as userlike as possible they may or may not have genitals or even know what to do with them Of course, pleasure programs would LoL
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 2:12 PM
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derezzedheart User
Posts: 1 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 2:57 PM
I think what they were referring to when she said "He's different" is maybe they knew he was a User.
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 7:45 PM
mastercilinder Wrote:I always figured it was a sixth-sense type deal. She just felt that he was different somehow, maybe the clothes he had on while coming in had something to do with it? |
It would have to be. they note he has no disc. But what's more...he has no place to PUT a disc. Most programs, even when not wearing a disc, have that spot where it goes. Sam didn't. I would think they'd find that odd from the start, but apparently not? What do you want? I'm busy.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 9:09 PM
Tron Fanatic Wrote:With all that has already happened on these forums in the past few months, I can't believe someone actually used that as a thread title. |
Didn't mean to offend anyone. I try to make a title that someone can at least venture a guess on what the query is about. Maybe a play on words as I was more interested in how the Siren figured Sam was different. When Ram says that to Tron in the first film, he had quite a conversation with Flynn first, so it might make sense he would think FLynn was different. Or as someone else said, a sense, a feeling, that hey, this guy is not a program, but how can that be type thing.
The way the Sirens undress him, and yet I don't think completely (right?), was odd. Why not just digitize Sam a new outfit. But then, the fact his clothing isn't digitized to begin with could be a clue to the Siren?
I wonder how long the writers discussed how to do this scene.
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Posts: 54 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 10:28 PM
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Posts: 507 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 10:41 PM
something of note also:
in tron1 the laser did not digitize flynn's clothes
into the grid.
while in legacy the laser digitized sam's clothes
into the grid.
one probable reason for this modification
is that flynn wanted to study how digitized objects
from the real world act inside the grid.
or how digitized real-world objects are changed
by the laser or by grid physics.
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DarthMeow504 User
Posts: 134 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 10:42 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:The way the Sirens undress him, and yet I don't think completely (right?), was odd. Why not just digitize Sam a new outfit. But then, the fact his clothing isn't digitized to begin with could be a clue to the Siren?
I wonder how long the writers discussed how to do this scene. |
And yet in a way it was digitized. He was wearing heavy denim and cycle leather, and they pulled it off of him in neat strips like it was made of paper. If a program's "clothes" is just a layer of code, that would explain the whole thing. Gem probably doesn't have a concept of clothes like we do, and looked at him wondering not "what is this weird stuff you're wearing?" but instead something more like "this has got to be the most poorly coded outerlayer I've ever seen, who wrote this crap?".
She could well have seen him completely naked and not known what she was looking at beyond that it was odd. She'd have no way to know what nipples or genitals are, only that they were "odd abnormalities on this one's surface layer, I wonder if they have a function or if they're just bad code?".
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Posts: 134 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 10:45 PM
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 11:01 PM
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 11:11 PM
In response to thread title, "Bits?"
I know some want to theorize about every detail, but maybe we're getting a little carried away with some discussion topics. Please know I come in peace and mean no harm.
Example, I half-expect a topic asking do programs have to get a haircut and hair styled? If so, who is their hairstylist? Or do they just always look like that? Quorra has a bedroom, so does she have to get ready every "day"/"cycle"? I guess these types of questions don't appeal to me. Sorry OP! I'm just not on the same wavelength, I suppose. Then again, what else is there to talk about.
Maybe the Tron classic discussions were like this for years and I just never realized. Hmm... That would make me a bit upset, if true
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: What is under a program's clothing? on Thursday, May, 12, 2011 11:25 PM
I noticed the forum has slowed down soooo much lately that I come here with nothing to respond to. All I like doing is try to come up with a topic while I'm watching T:L (someone posted it on youtube yesterday, so I watched it again). We have discussed so many things already, so what, do we just let the board die now? And some topics are meant to be tongue-in-cheek, is there anything wrong with that? No one is being pruriently explicit, more clinical maybe.
If anyone has better topics, well then, quit holding back.
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