So this has been bugging me.  I know we had a discussion a while back about the dude who plays Rinzler, and he has all these badass moves, etc.

But even while I was watching the film, I was saying, "dude, that makes no sense.  If you're in a fight for your life, you're not going to take the time for fancy tricks."

But it occurs to me that this may have been something Rinzler developed for the Games.  I mean, it's showy, it intimidates your opponent--it's entertainment.  But I don't recall seeing that Rinzler is flipping around all over the place when he's in a REAL fight, does he?  And Tron doesn't during the fight in the betrayal scene.  Then he's just all business.

It makes sense.  If you're really fighting in earnest, you're going to conserve energy as much as possible and not waste your time with anything fancy.  Why on earth would you do a twisting flip to avoid someone's disc when you can just duck or move over six inches?  You wouldn't.  You're not there to impress anyone, you're there to stay alive.

In the Games it's different.  No doubt Rinzler knows he's going to win, so he might as well put on a good show.  And from the way everybody chants when he shows up, it sounds like they eat it right up.

You're both correct in what you're saying, I mean I study and participate in Kendo, Iaido and Hoyo Niten Ichi-ryu all three are Japanese sword arts and Niten was created by Miyamoto Musashi. Flashy and over the top movements are THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO EVER DO! Musashi even wrote in his "Book of five rings" that they have no purpose and are basically there to hide technical flaws in your style or personal level of skill. I can tell you now that most modern Samurai movies (Take the Last Samurai for example) throw away a lot of actual combat technique for flashy swishy swishy movements. For instance in a lot of these samurai movies you see them spinning around showing their backs to their opponents, leaping around doing rolls is just pure hollywood fiction made to make things look "flashy" and "cool"

I think we have that here with Rinzler...........HOWEVER, you have to think of this as a more Gladiatorial game here. Rinzler knows that Sam is of no threat as previous opponents he has faced, time after time Rinzler would be showing off to the audiance, this is apparent with his opening pose showing off his two discs. Obvioulsy to get the crowd going in what would be an easy and dull fight, I have a feeling that the reverse gravity effect was something to make this harder for Rinzler and keep the crowds entertained for longer. As you see later on in the movie Rinzler is more serious and up front with his combat except when he faces Sam on the control bridge where he does that jumpy spinny thing again, however here I think he was mocking him with the "we've done this" move. However we all know what happens because of this arrogance in his own skill, he was not prepared for the unexpected, unlike Tron who could adapt as you see in the flashback.

Tron Fanatic Wrote:Blame the Wachowski Brothers and George Lucas for permanently rendering filmmakers incapable of ever again shooting combat scenes that are more than 5% practical.

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I had kinda been under the impression that it was a result or by-product of becoming Rinzler. Like others have said, when Tron fights, he just *fights* -- he doesn't show off, other than by just being good at what he does. Maybe along with all of the new "coding" that happened in the transition to Rinzler, his fight style changed (or maybe Clu even intentionally changed his fight style).

However, I like what some of you have suggested about "showing off" for the audience in the arena. That makes sense, I think, and fits with the scenarios. where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

I thought the same thing when he did that flip cartwheel thingy as he went chasing after Quorra when her, Sam, and Flynn were trying to catch the portal. For a computer program, doesn't seem very efficient :\

Fygee Wrote:Just extra flash to make the movie more entertaining and the character seem more skilled and threatening. Nothing less, nothing more.

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IluthraDanar Wrote:Rinzler had great moves, but again, just to annoy whomever it was saying no nitypicky. I just can't see Tron doing moves like that. I know they "beefed up" his moves in the flashback, but the flips and odd anti-grav turns, no. Love you, Bruce/Tron, but you can't do that. Rinzler ain't Tron!

That's kinda the point...Tron never needed to. Tron wasn't about showmanship, he was about getting the job done in the best way possible. He didn't fight for the hell of it or for entertainment, only when he needed to. I can't see Tron being the sort that would fight at the drop of a hat.

Although for all we know, perhaps if competing in the Games for fun back in the day before Clu took over, when they weren't "to the death," he may indeed have pulled out some fun stuff and maybe Rinz didn't "learn" anything new.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

Video games have over-the-top moves. Rinzler is on the game grid. Therefore, Rinzler does not have to abide by real world physics and beliefs of what would be an ideal expending of energy for a real world fighter.

I wish Tron Evolution was more down-to-earth with its moves, though.

Seems to me old arcade games that were fighter vs fighter have many silly moves. If anything this has grown as you can see in modern games like God of War.

Acetyl Wrote:I don't think Rinzler was trying to show off when he did flips. Rinzler (and other combatants) adapted to the style of fighting best suited to the games.

Disc wars is a game where being hit once will derezz the program. In other words, Its an instant death game. To be the winner of this type of game you would have to be agile and use acrobatics to dodge and confuse; especially if your fighting a group of enemies.
In this kind of situation you would want to move in a way that gives you maximum defence but takes up the smallest amount of time to perform and more importantly recover from into a position to be able to dodge again. Doing a flip roll does not do this, it was pure showmanship for the audiance, Rinzler knew he could win with little to no effort so he shows off to the screaming fans.

Acetyl Wrote:Conserving energy would not work here; it would make the person a slow moving target and lead to a quick death (demonstrated by the first few opponents sam faced). Disc wars is based on fighting with projectiles, not hand to hand combat.
You've obviously never been in a fencing match, in Kendo conservation of energy is paramount, the one who runs back and forth swinging like crasy is often the one who loses and very very quickly I might add than the one who stands calm relaxed and prepared to react to what ever is thrown at him/her.

Acetyl Wrote:This is why Rinzler's fighting style was so effective; he never got hit by a disc because he was so fast.
He wasn't actually all that fast, it more just more experiance than anything else. When you watch Sam didn't do anything beyond the noobish "I'll just throw this at him" approach, he didn't bounce his disc off any walls and how many times do you think someone tried that old trick of smashing the floor/roof on Rinzler? How often does he do this himself?

All of his "flashy" moves at this point were purely showmanship, however later on in the movie because he has known nothing else for so long he has fallen into routine and predictability (this is my failing in Kendo people know my tricks the few of them I have anyway).