Lets theorize:

1. Repercussions of Allen vs. Rinzler.

2. Would Flynn had done the same things he did for Sam, ie Run for Portal, Switch discs with Quorra, etc.

3. Would Allen have adapted better/worse than Sam to the environment?

4. What would 'The Next Day' become?


Discuss

Sam knew about the Grid, which gave him a heads up. Alan had not been told anything by Flynn we assume. Sam, as a child, may have believed it to be real but as an adult, realized these were stories a father told his son. To see it all very real must have had quite the impact on Sam.

I'm sure if it had been Alan, he and Flynn would have worked together with the knowledge they had as programmers to get things done. Sam may have had some knowledge but did he have real skills? Kinda wish I could see the film done both ways.

It would be interesting to see. I think that Alan would have been a bit less impulsive, so-to-speak, and wouldn't have attempted to run for the portal. He probably would have stuck around and worked out a plan first. But I do agree that Tron would have snapped back immediately upon seeing him.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

Yeah, Sam really did seem to push his dad to action, and even Quorra had a new impetus to do something, after cycles of inaction with Flynn. I would have hoped Alan and Flynn could have defeated Clu and found a way out. But realistically, he probably would have been killed.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

Kat Wrote:1. Would Rinzler recognize Alan? Do programs have something inherent in them whereby they know their users? I mean, I'm not sure he'd recognize him based on looks alone. Rinzler probably doesn't know what he himself looks like, if he's always got that helmet on. Even if he did, he may not recognize that Alan is an aged form of himself--programs don't know about aging, remember, so while a user might recognize an older version of the same person, it's because we understand the aging process and so expect the differences. To Rinzler, Alan probably looks nothing like himself. 3. Worse, I'd say. Alan's gotta be getting close to the "old and creaky" point; I can't see him in the disc wars. Or lightcycle wars. Or even perhaps believing where he is--Sam, after all, heard stories about being on the Grid as a kid, so it is easier for him to believe he's there--right away he seems to know what's going on: "this isn't happening!" Byteman Wrote:3) Bradley's no spring chicken, so physically he'd have trouble...like I said before though I don't think he'd have to fight in the disc-wars. Mentally, he's already aware of Flynn's new frontier idea...he'd probably put two and two together very quickly. . I'm not so sure about that. The rectifier picks up Sam as soon as he gets out of the arcade. I don't know that Alan would've even had time to figure out what was going on, let alone come up with a plan to keep from being captured. And we know Sam wasn't able to talk his way out of it--I don't think the Black Guards were much up for discussion; they were just picking up errant programs. ShadowSpark Wrote:It would be interesting to see. I think that Alan would have been a bit less impulsive, so-to-speak, and wouldn't have attempted to run for the portal. He probably would have stuck around and worked out a plan first. But I do agree that Tron would have snapped back immediately upon seeing him. The real question is...would he and Flynn have just sat around hemming and hawing until they BOTH got stuck? Like I said in the thread I did some time back about "was Sam right or wrong"....it's possible that Sam's impulsiveness was the only thing that got them out of there. Flynn didn't seem inclined to move or do anything at all. Time was a-wasting (even 8 hours is not much time to hatch a plan, oppose a dictator, and escape) and he just wanted to have dinner and a nice chat, and then go to bed.

Even if Rinzler didn't recognize Alan's face, he would recognize the name, and he would also recognize that Alan has his very same voice. He might even be savvy enough to identify himself as Alan-One if he realizes he's gone into a computer.

I think you give Alan too little credit. He's not an idiot, he'd know he was into whatever Flynn said would change the world. He 'd probably even recognize (haha) the recognizers from Flynn's games and understand where he had gotten to.

I didn't say Alan would avoid capture. I said he probably wouldn't have to fight in disc-wars...contingent upon him being recognized immediately by Clu. Clu would recognize him because he looks just like Tron, and know he was a user. He 'd do the same thing he did with Sam, get them brought to him for a close look.

I think Alan would want to get back quickly as well. Sure, he'd probably listen to Flynn a little more, but he has invested in the real world his whole life. Maybe if he had gone in younger like Flynn, he might have more attachment to both places. He's got a company and a wife (possibly even children) to get back to.

Imbroglio Wrote:Alan would have been killed off very fast. He didn't play video games and had no clue about what went on the grid.

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ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote:even 8 hours is not much time to hatch a plan, oppose a dictator, and escape Which raises the question, is a milicycle 8 hours in the grid, or 8 hours in our world? A cycle is a week or so in our world, so wouldn't that mean that a milicycle is 8 hours here? Which would then make it a week or so in grid time?

At one point I had figured out why it was 8 hours Grid time, but I can't remember why. At any rate, 8 hours our time would translate to something more like weeks in the Grid...if ten minutes in the real world is 8 hours in the Grid, then even an hour in the real world would be 48 hours. So 8 hours would be like two weeks. And even one week is WAY too long for the events of the movie to have taken place.

I did spend some time thinking about the apparent amount of time that passes in the real world, though. After all, Sam arrives at the arcade during the night. Then when he leaves, sunrise must be soon after, right? I assume he and Quorra don't just hang out for several hours until then. That means he got to the Grid very late at night. On the other hand, if we consider what happened that night, it makes sense. The Encom conference happens after it's already dark. If it's winter there, that means it could be as early as 6 pm, or as late as 10 p.m. if it's the summer. I find it hard to believe they'd hold a meeting that late, so let's assume it's not summer. So there's the meeting. After that, Sam gets arrested, we need the time for him to get booked, and my guess is they probably let him cool his heels in jail for a few hours before he posts bail, which will take some time too. But, at that point it's still not too late for Alan to come by, still in a suit, so who knows. Then we can assume he probably argues with Alan a bit more, then sits and stews for a while before he decides to head over to the arcade. Then he wanders around the arcade a while before he finds the secret office. After he and Q get out of the Grid, he has time to page Alan (where does he get the pager number??) and upload everything onto his memory disc before Alan arrives. I suppose it could conceivably be about 5 or 6 a.m. by that point.

Okay, that was a long ramble.

Byteman Wrote:Even if Rinzler didn't recognize Alan's face, he would recognize the name, and he would also recognize that Alan has his very same voice. He might even be savvy enough to identify himself as Alan-One if he realizes he's gone into a computer. I think you give Alan too little credit. He's not an idiot, he'd know he was into whatever Flynn said would change the world. He 'd probably even recognize (haha) the recognizers from Flynn's games and understand where he had gotten to. I didn't say Alan would avoid capture. I said he probably wouldn't have to fight in disc-wars...contingent upon him being recognized immediately by Clu. Clu would recognize him because he looks just like Tron, and know he was a user. He 'd do the same thing he did with Sam, get them brought to him for a close look. I think Alan would want to get back quickly as well. Sure, he'd probably listen to Flynn a little more, but he has invested in the real world his whole life. Maybe if he had gone in younger like Flynn, he might have more attachment to both places. He's got a company and a wife (possibly even children) to get back to.

WOULD Rinzler recognize Alan's name? After all, he knows nothing of his life as Tron. Does he know he HAS a user? After all, nobody else on the Grid does except Clu, and even Clu probably doesn't admit to it. And if he doesn't remember, I don't imagine that's information Clu would share with him. Besides, people have very similar voices all the time. And to be honest with you, until I hear a recording of myself, I have no idea what my own voice sounds like, and I'm not sure I'd recognize it on someone else. It sounds much different in my head than it does to other people, and I'm sure would even more so if I were constantly wearing a helmet.

I don't assume Alan's an idiot. But you have to remember: in Alan's world, people don't go inside computers. It's not something that's possible (he thinks), so why would it ever cross his mind that that was what happened? Sam picks it up because he's been told that it IS possible (and frankly I'm still surprised even HE gets it so fast). The only way Alan might figure it out is if he recognized the laser in the office (and he might well, at that, now that I think of it. Knowing what he did about the laser, he may not have even gotten himself rezzed in in the first place; Sam only does because he hasn't a clue what he's doing. Alan would surely know that the answer to "aperture clear?" when the laser is pointed directly at you is NOT "yes." And if he did see the laser and figure out that that might be where Flynn went, my guess is that he wouldn't be likely to follow him in there--he'd probably try to figure out what was going on from the outside). If, however, he hadn't seen the laser...he would at first, like Sam, just think he was still in the arcade. Then he'd get outside and see all the glow-y streets and probably think he was hallucinating or something, but his first thought would not be "dude, I'm in a computer!" He knew Flynn was working on something weird, but he didn't know what, and it could've been anything from medical research to AI to new technology for Mother Theresa.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill

ChessMess Wrote:Lets theorize: 1. Repercussions of Allen vs. Rinzler. 2. Would Flynn had done the same things he did for Sam, ie Run for Portal, Switch discs with Quorra, etc. 3. Would Allen have adapted better/worse than Sam to the environment? 4. What would 'The Next Day' become? Discuss

1. As soon as Rinzler lays eyes on Alan? Just like with Flynn, he goes back to being Tron again. The whole movie changes as you now have two veteran users with God like powers in Alan and Flynn, along with the last ISO in Quorra, and the greatest fighter on the Grid in Tron fighting against CLU. CLU is pretty much hosed IMO

2. Again, there would be no need to get to the portal. I suspect the four of them would work to overthrow CLU's regime and free the Grid before departing. Sam may get curious about where Alan went, and putting 2 and 2 together? May end up on the Grid eventually after investigating the arcade.

3. I always suspected Alan sort of knew where Flynn was, but realized Grid travel was not for him. Maybe he was waiting for the day when Sam had grown and appeared capable of mounting a rescue operation in getting Flynn out.

4. Both Alan and Flynn show up at Ram's place and probably invite him onto the Grid.

the doctor Wrote:1. As soon as Rinzler lays eyes on Alan? Just like with Flynn, he goes back to being Tron again. The whole movie changes as you now have two veteran users with God like powers in Alan and Flynn, along with the last ISO in Quorra, and the greatest fighter on the Grid in Tron fighting against CLU. CLU is pretty much hosed IMO

Again, though, neither Rinzler nor Tron ever met Alan... Tronzler remembered Flynn when he SAW him, but of Alan there would be nothing to remember because Tron had never seen him. Again, you'd have to assume that a program somehow knows its user intuitively (which frankly, I think is a valid assumption to make...I mean, in the original film, programs intuitively know their users exist, right, and I don't see why the connection wouldn't extend to recognizing their user when they see them [and indeed in my fanfic, which takes place after T:L, Tron does know Alan; in the story he's been upgraded to be able to sense when somebody new comes into the Grid--makes sense for a security program, eh?--though all he knows is there's a new entity on the Grid, not who it is... but when Alan comes, Tron not only knows someone is there but immediately exclaims, "my User is here!" and everybody else is asking, "how do you know it's him?" "I don't know, I just know!" Tron says.])

IluthraDanar Wrote: Boba Fettuccini Wrote: gridbug Wrote:"Rectify." This. Alan would have been sent straight off to be rectified. No way they'd put him in the games. Looks alone, you'd assume he'd be out at the first match. Why send that frightened program to the Games then? He would have done better being rectified. Unless they needed the occasional fodder, to die, you know.

It would seem programs are sorted out according to whether they're ABLE to be rectified? i always figured they thought that guy just wouldn't work out--maybe something was fundamentally wrong with him somehow. And of course, when they got to Sam, they probably saw something weird and figured he couldn't be rectified either. (and then of course we must ask...CAN users be rectified? And if not, what happens to them if you try? Though discussing that would require knowing exactly how the rectification process works.)

But given that CLU sent the page to ALAN'S page, there is no doubt he had some safeguards built into Rinzler for exactly that reason.

Course he should have had the same things built in for FLYNN, but maybe he was only worried about ALAN and didn't think FLYNN would have any affect on him.