i don't think they would function in the real world.

Each vehicle would have to be altered in design,and would have complex real mechanical components fueled by some type of fuel or super high compacity batteries (solar cell tech) and would need engines similar to ramjets or some kind of advanced repulser/anti-grav, or kinetic force field generating tech for propulsion and just to stablize something like the Recognizer, and such tech is *far*, far beyond 21st century tech.
But it would be required to even function in the "real world". Flynn is a brilliant programmer and hacker, but I think anti-grav and repulsar lift tech is a bit outside of his expertise.

Maybe if one digitized the minds of Michio Kaku, Stephen Hawkins, and several MIT advanced engineers minds and formed an amalgam Super-Mind and have it formulate "real world" working models for each of the vehicles in a 15 terabyte Quantum Computer... then use the Shiva System with lots of raw matter installed into it's containment system so it could materialize them into real vehicles...order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

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How does CLU's ship stay up in the air? Because it was programmed to.

Flynn doesn't have to have cracked the physics of anti-gravity, force fields, energy weapons, and other such super-technology, though if he'd wanted to he had a thousand subjective years to do it in.

Remember The Terminator, where Skynet cranked out technology like self-contained nuclear batteries, phased plasma weapons, and time travel in the 2020s? That's the kind of thing one can expect when you have a hyper-intelligent computer AI developing technology, it can progress much faster than humans can.

The system in Legacy was running for two real decades, and roughly a thousand years internally. Why is illogical to think that such sci-fi tech couldn't be developed in that kind of time by dedicated research teams made up of specialized programs tasked to do so? We commonly accept in science fiction that humanity will develop similar technology in the next few centuries, why not the residents of the Grid? They certainly had ample time and resources with which to work.

As to energy and matter for the Shiva laser, it was all around it. No nuclear reactor needed when a kilogram of matter converted to pure energy is enough power to fuel a multi-kiloton explosion. The Shiva need simply digitize matter within range, converting some of it to energy and the remainder to whatever it's programmed to output.

This means that to rez up that army and it's equipment in the real world, it would disintegrate several blocks of material to do so, but there's no reason to believe it could not do so save for safety protocols preventing it from doing so --safety protocols that Flynn's access codes could override.

Give me a Shiva laser and I'll take over the planet. Surely Clu could do the same.

Heh, one of the reasons it didn't happen... considering that the exit to the grid was a 12x12 concrete bunker... imagine Clu, a carrier, and all his soldiers pouring into that room all at once. No matter what, you're talking about a huge mess. Either the pressure ultimately liquifies the bodies of everyone who shows up there, or the entire arcade caves in in which case the portal shuts down anyway.

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I very highly doubt it.

Doubt all you want, the film itself disagrees with you.

Flynn said directly that if Clu accessed the portal with his master key disc, it was "Game Over". This is in-canon fact, that the character most knowledgeable about the subject believes without question that Clu's plan is not only workable, but unstoppable.

I've explained how it could work using what we know about the Shiva laser and the Grid. I may be off on some point or another, but the conclusion is undeniable. I've worked backwards from the canon facts the film gave us to puzzle out a theory on how it could work, because the film says it does work.

The film says that Clu's plan IS viable. Period. You can disagree with me on the particulars of how it would work, but if you claim that it would fail you are WRONG. The viability of Clu's threat is canon fact and undeniable.

I don't get the flood of posters saying "I don't think it works like that", as if they're describing a real thing that can be objectively investigated. It's fiction, what the author says goes. And the author has said, in the most definitive way possible short of voice-over Word of God narration, that in his story the threat of Clu is real.

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LMAO. Wow.

Just because the characters **assume** something "is possible", does not make it a definate possibility.

I've given specific and rational reasons for how it events might possibly unfold, using all that is presented in the film and info given about Clu, the Grid, and the Shiva laser in multiple interviews, I've detailed out very rational reasons (within canon) as to what is most likely not possible and is possible.

Claiming "it's in the cannon" and saying "your wrong" without given any rational explainations on how it would be possible within the canon of is not very convincing.

1) Where would all the power for the Shiva Laser to materialize a massive ship that defies real world gravity full of ships, top-heavy recognizers, and 500,000+ troops come from.. the cities power grid?
Would that even be enough power? How would the shiva system draw on that much power without instantly blacking out the whole city or the whole state?

2) Say hypothetically that the city or state didn't black out and it drew enough power from the cities power grid, next the Shiva laser would have to use some kind of wide-beam digitization of Flynn's arcade, and several city blocks just to have enough raw matter to materialize the command ship and all it contains.
Then there's the issue of the matter containment cylinders around the base of the laser, those can only hold so much matter in molecular or sub atomic form. I highly doubt they could contain that much matter inside them as what would be needed to be contained and rearranged to materialize all the ships and 500k or more soldiers....

3) How pray-tell did Flynn's Master key Disc get the technological specifications to make all these simulated machines and weapons into ones that would actually function in "the real world". Did those technological plans come from Clu?
"he can't create programs only repurpose them." I highly doubt it.

I highly doubt that Flynn thought up and developed 24th century tech all in his mind during his "Zen thing" 1000 cycles and his pursuit of zen introspection and "journey without goal".. yeah I highly doubt he though of how to make a massive floating ship actuall work in the "real world" without a massive blimp filled with helium or hundreds of VTOL jets, and devise a light wieght alloy to cut down it's overall wieght too? LMAO I doubt that as well.

4) There is nothing in the film that shows that any Programs have been working on giving their vehicles real working anti-gravity/repulsars/ion drives/or huge fuel powered engines to allow their ships to fuction or even fly in "the real world".

5) Programs doing their typical routines and basic functions and being
semi-human-like for "a 1000 digital years/ Cycles" doesn't mean they've all grown
super-intelligent. If they had Light Cycle battles and Disc Wars would not entertain them if they all had super IQ's... lol Clu was fairly smart, but not that smart.

6) Flynn is a brilliant programer and hacker, but their is NOTHING in the canon that shows he knows how to literally make huge spaceship simulations function with super advanced technolgy (which would be required for them to even WORK in the "real world" that is 200 years ahead of even the tech level of the "real world" of the Tron universe.

Just because those vehicles and weappns works on The Grid, does not mean it will function in the "real world".
Those objects and vehicles are digital constructs that function according to the digital PSEUDO physics of the Grid.

Now, please, other that claiming I'm "wrong" and that "it's canon", explain to me exactly how the Command ship, light fighters, and all those soldiers would be materialized now? Other than just saying "oh the characters say it's possible so it's possible!". LOL

I am a long time fan of science fiction. Maybe because I love to look at the possibilities. Some scientists say that whatever we can imagine will be possible. I don't know if that's true, but quite a few Star Trek inventions are reality now.

When I watch a film, I get deeply into it if I like it, trying to understand and accept the various scientific concepts, just for imagination's sake, dreaming that they could be real. There's no need to harp on whether it is physically possible, since sci fi is the genre of dreams. Still, it's fun to discuss if something were possible, and how. And that's all I enjoy, not the backbiting between people who may say it's possible versus one who may say it's impossible.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

"You've still have not answered any of the questions I put forth or given any rational in-canon examples on how Clu would magically make all his vehicles and soldiers materialize or even work in the "real world". "

Have you even read anything I've written? I said how it would work. Repeatedly. You seem to have ignored it.

Where does the energy and matter come from? Simple. Perhaps you've heard of a little equation called e=mc2?

It means that you don't need the city's power grid nor do you need containers of specially designated matter for the Shiva laser. Once you can convert matter to energy and back again, as the Shiva laser has been demonstrated on screen to do, any and all matter is both your fuel and your raw material. Bricks, earth, cars, buildings, people, garbage, enemy equipment, whatever, if it's in front of the Shiva it's able to be converted to both energy to fuel the laser and raw materials to build things with.

Again, Flynn probably built in safety protocols to prevent that from happening, and thus Clu's need for the disc to override those safeties.

So, you have the ability to take in any matter and use it as fuel and building materials to create whatever you want. With me so far? Again, once you can convert energy to matter and back again, this becomes possible.

So, the only barrier to Clu's army coming forth exactly as it was in the Grid is the designs for the advanced weapons and vehicles and equipment. As I said, and you also ignored, the Grid has been running for 1000 years internal subjective time. Most sci-fi assumes humanity will achieve the kind of technological advancements shown in Clu's army in the next few centuries, and Clu's forces had 1000 years. What makes you think they would be unable to do the necessary research and development in all that time?

You might argue that computer programs aren't very creative, though we see no evidence of any lack of human capacities in the programs on screen. Still, even if they're not intuitive or creative in the same way as humans, they would by nature be very good at crunching physics numbers and running simulations. Remember, prototyping is free in a world where you can rez up anything you can write specs for, so testing millions of variations of concepts and progressing iteratively would be well within their capabilities.

Again, you're arguing against the word of the expert character giving plot exposition in the film, and the very dramatic hook of the film itself. You're expecting me and others to believe that a talented and successful director hung his entire film on a dramatic threat that was in fact no threat at all, and would fizzle on it's own whether the protagonists did anything or not.

To quote what you said, "I very much fucking doubt it".