"In the end, everyone still believes that one, simple great idea can change the world. At the core of the TRON mythology is that one truth: that anyone at any moment might stumble on this power and then we have to worry what their motivations really are."

I believe that will be a good scene at the end of Tron 3, maybe after the credits. That would be a perfect plot nucleus for Tron 4. For now, let's just make it simple...

Bad Guy(s):
-New MCP BADASS (Think MCP + Unstopable grid Warrior)

-Ed Dillinger Jr. (Creator of new MCP, not knowing what a monster he's created, eventualy enters Encom Grid, with Quorra and Sam, to destroy the MCP.)

-Assorted Red Warriors (Conscripts plus programs captured ad and corrupted to protect the MCP. THESE PROGRAMS ARE IDENTIFIED BY THEIR ORIGINAL FUNCTION Company Logo(Product placement $$$). Some of these programs (highest bidder) will be turned to good guys, to help defeat the MCP.



-Ed Dillinger (Original provider of code and structure of the new MCP. Both Father and Son soon realize what they have done...Father comes to help. Ed Dillinger is killed by MCP, along with many others, in a cyber attack plane crash. Leads Ed jr. to seek Sam's help. Enter Grid.

Good Guys:

-Sam Flynn (problems with Quorra's stability prompt a race to return to the grid, coupled with news of the growing MCP menace. Ed Jr. follows(show flashback of young Ed Jr., Father, plan for revenge, pandora's box, the enemy of my enemy is my friend., etc.)

-Quorra (soon find she must return to the grid to survive. Upon returning to grid Sam, Quorra, Ed Jr. are confronted by the MCP. Quorra fights MCP to save Sam, but is badly injured, Sam and Ed are able to escape. Quorra is captured by MCP. Sam and Ed must regroup, find help (resistance programs) to find a way to save Quorra and destroy the MCP.
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IluthraDanar Wrote:Funny how we can find such complicated stories in this film, when I go to Rotten Tomatoes or some similar site, and read crap from people who were bored or felt the SFX weren't fulfilling, or whatever. What movie did they see anyway?

They saw a movie in which they believed they could do better and coupled with the fact that MANY MANY MANY viewers have not seen the Original Tron, they didn't understand much of the back story.

Since ideas are being shared here for a sequel, I'll share mine:

Sam gets Tron back online and attempts to reassemble his father's code, but fails. Sam puts Tron in charge of grid. Tron reports more ISO's coming from sea of simulation. Things at ENCOM are not going as Sam had planned and everything is more difficult than he expected. Sam feels like a failure and Quorra encourages him.

Quorra, being naive and too trusting is assaulted by thugs she meets and nearly fights them off, but is overpowered until Sam shows up to help fight them off. Quorra realizing that not all users are as benevolent as she once believed wishes to return to the grid where she at least knows how to deal with things. Sam takes Quorra to a new laser at ENCOM and for the first time kisses her and promises to visit when things are under control. Dillinger Jr. is shown spying on them when Sam sends Quorra back to grid.

Turns out Dillinger Sr. has been dead for some time but Jr. finishes program father started which was a program with Sr's brain pattern turned into code. Jr. felt so close to the program he started calling it dad. Jr. tells Dillinger/MCP about his discovery about laser. MCP tells Jr. they need to start bringing specialty elite programs to help take over ENCOM. Jr. brings several programs into the real world where he discovers they are not business programs, but military assassins. Jr. realizes what's going on and confronts his "father" who betrays him and tells him Jr must cooperate or everybody he cares for will be killed one by one starting with his mother.

Sam holds funeral for Kevin. During funeral, the scripture is read "...and the sea will give up its dead." Sam thinks of something he missed. Leaves the funeral early, everybody thinking he is too upset to stay try to comfort him, but he pushes past, heads to ENCOM and to the laser where he sends himself to the grid. Sam meets up with Tron and asks to meet the new ISO's. They are all eager to meet him... except one. A lone ISO with a hood. Tron says he never speaks. Sam approaches the ISO but he shies away. Sam pulls back the hood and its Kevin. But apparently his memories are gone. From there they are confronted by the MCP's elite soldiers who reveal themselves as followers of the MCP and they are now prisoners of war. Battle ensues. Tron fights to help everybody escape. Kevin, Sam, Quorra and Tron are now fugitives on the grid...

Any comments so far?

cool83 Wrote:-Ed Dillinger Jr. (Creator of new MCP, not knowing what a monster he's created, eventualy enters Encom Grid, with Quorra and Sam, to destroy the MCP.) .

This idea I could maybe get behind. I've always felt it's WAY too obvious to make Dillinjr the villain/rez up a new MCP--it's been done, can we have something new please instead of making it look like Disney ran out of ideas and was scrambling?--and I've always advocated for having him turn out to be a good guy. But maybe they could show him going AGAINST his dad (which would also be a nice offset to T:L with Sam and his dad working together), who gave him this program and made up some story about what it was really for, and once Jr. figures it out, he has to work to stop it.

(I still maintain that we never seen Jr. as an evil character in T:L, so I can't argue that he is for sure being set up as a bad guy, just based on what his name is. He's obviously smart and can handle a crisis, there doesn't seem to be any enmity between him and Alan that might indicate he's a bad guy [as opposed to some of the other characters, who Alan obviously isn't fond of]. he doesn't say anything that makes him look like a jerk--I think his only dialogue is where he basically says "dudes, calm down, I fixed it", right?...he could very well turn out to be good and it would be far smarter of Disney to introduce a character everyone expects to be bad and then surprise us and say "go back and watch again and see how we carefully did NOT make him do anything bad," than have a whole theater of people saying "oh, geez, who didn't see THAT coming?")

IluthraDanar Wrote:Funny how we can find such complicated stories in this film, when I go to Rotten Tomatoes or some similar site, and read crap from people who were bored or felt the SFX weren't fulfilling, or whatever. What movie did they see anyway?

Honestly? They probably weren't willing to think about it as deeply as we do. I'm sure I could probably get geeky and analyze a lot of movies I thought were bad if I were willing to think about it long enough. (Not going to go see if I can find a deeper meaning in Snakes On A Plane, though, sorry.)where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Kat Wrote: cool83 Wrote:-Ed Dillinger Jr. (Creator of new MCP, not knowing what a monster he's created, eventualy enters Encom Grid, with Quorra and Sam, to destroy the MCP.) . This idea I could maybe get behind. I've always felt it's WAY too obvious to make Dillinjr the villain/rez up a new MCP--it's been done, can we have something new please instead of making it look like Disney ran out of ideas and was scrambling?--and I've always advocated for having him turn out to be a good guy. But maybe they could show him going AGAINST his dad (which would also be a nice offset to T:L with Sam and his dad working together), who gave him this program and made up some story about what it was really for, and once Jr. figures it out, he has to work to stop it. (I still maintain that we never seen Jr. as an evil character in T:L, so I can't argue that he is for sure being set up as a bad guy, just based on what his name is. He's obviously smart and can handle a crisis, there doesn't seem to be any enmity between him and Alan that might indicate he's a bad guy [as opposed to some of the other characters, who Alan obviously isn't fond of]. he doesn't say anything that makes him look like a jerk--I think his only dialogue is where he basically says "dudes, calm down, I fixed it", right?...he could very well turn out to be good and it would be far smarter of Disney to introduce a character everyone expects to be bad and then surprise us and say "go back and watch again and see how we carefully did NOT make him do anything bad," than have a whole theater of people saying "oh, geez, who didn't see THAT coming?") IluthraDanar Wrote:Funny how we can find such complicated stories in this film, when I go to Rotten Tomatoes or some similar site, and read crap from people who were bored or felt the SFX weren't fulfilling, or whatever. What movie did they see anyway? Honestly? They probably weren't willing to think about it as deeply as we do. I'm sure I could probably get geeky and analyze a lot of movies I thought were bad if I were willing to think about it long enough. (Not going to go see if I can find a deeper meaning in Snakes On A Plane, though, sorry.)

Kat, I respectfully disagree. After seeing Dillinger Jr. in that scene in the ENCOM boardroom, it was pretty obvious to me that when he opened his mouth, he made it plain that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree (Dillinger Sr.). The way I saw it was this - Mackey, Dillinger Jr. and many of the other ENCOM employees were either subservient to Mackey and Dillinger and saw Alan as nothing more but a figurehead - window dressing in an attempt to show ENCOM as something other than what it really was (a cut-throat, back-stabbing corporate environment). This was especially evident when Mackey mentioned Dillinger Sr. as if he was the prime historical figure in ENCOM's history, not even mentioning names like Dr. Walter Gibbs, Dr. Lora Baines-Bradley, or even Alan and Kevin's names. If they completely had their way, they would have dropped Alan like a hot potato and kicked him to the curb completely, and I also wander if they did just that to Roy, "RAM" Kleinberg? I'm sure "RAM" was probably being set up to fail as well. It's also pretty clear when the following dialogue ensues:


ALAN
Excuse me -
MACKEY
(visibly irritated)
Yessssssss, Alan -

ALAN (CONTINUED)
Given the prices we charge to students, schools, what
sort of improvements have been made in Flynn -, I mean,
Uhmmm, ENCOM OS 12???

MACKEY
(smug)
Well, this year, we put a "12" on the box.

Mackey shoots Alan a shady smile, while Alan nods his head, his stern visage sensing that something is just not right. Dillinger, Jr. cuts in, his expression not showing any concern whatsoever. . .

DILLINGER JR.
OS 12 is the most secure operating system ever released.
The idea of sharing our software, or giving it away for free,
disappeared with Kevin Flynn.

Alan turns and glares at Dillinger Jr. Mackey continues on, while Alan sits silently, quietly irritated. . .

MACKEY
Ok, if there are no more questions, I'd like you to meet
our next blockbuster - ENCOM OS 12!!!
(from TRON: Legacy, screenplay by E. Kitsis, and A. Horowitz, (C)2010 Disney Pictures)

I get the sense that Dillinger Jr. will be nothing more than a next-gen(pun intended) extension of his Father, and that he will be sneaky and shady just like him - and for the time being, he has the people (Mackey, and seemingly several of the other people in that boardroom scene) to back him up in anything he is planning to do, any maligning or office politics that would play out in his favor (until of course, Sam Flynn shows back up). Personally, I can't wait to see Dillinger Jr. get his behind handed to him, in both worlds. Now, if Dillinger Jr. does decide to counter what Daddy did, I think it's going to take a major awakening for him to get to that point. We'll find out when TR3N comes out. Peace.




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Gridlord Wrote:Since ideas are being shared here for a sequel, I'll share mine: Sam gets Tron back online and attempts to reassemble his father's code, but fails. Sam puts Tron in charge of grid. Tron reports more ISO's coming from sea of simulation. Things at ENCOM are not going as Sam had planned and everything is more difficult than he expected. Sam feels like a failure and Quorra encourages him. Quorra, being naive and too trusting is assaulted by thugs she meets and nearly fights them off, but is overpowered until Sam shows up to help fight them off. Quorra realizing that not all users are as benevolent as she once believed wishes to return to the grid where she at least knows how to deal with things. Sam takes Quorra to a new laser at ENCOM and for the first time kisses her and promises to visit when things are under control. Dillinger Jr. is shown spying on them when Sam sends Quorra back to grid. Turns out Dillinger Sr. has been dead for some time but Jr. finishes program father started which was a program with Sr's brain pattern turned into code. Jr. felt so close to the program he started calling it dad. Jr. tells Dillinger/MCP about his discovery about laser. MCP tells Jr. they need to start bringing specialty elite programs to help take over ENCOM. Jr. brings several programs into the real world where he discovers they are not business programs, but military assassins. Jr. realizes what's going on and confronts his "father" who betrays him and tells him Jr must cooperate or everybody he cares for will be killed one by one starting with his mother. Sam holds funeral for Kevin. During funeral, the scripture is read "...and the sea will give up its dead." Sam thinks of something he missed. Leaves the funeral early, everybody thinking he is too upset to stay try to comfort him, but he pushes past, heads to ENCOM and to the laser where he sends himself to the grid. Sam meets up with Tron and asks to meet the new ISO's. They are all eager to meet him... except one. A lone ISO with a hood. Tron says he never speaks. Sam approaches the ISO but he shies away. Sam pulls back the hood and its Kevin. But apparently his memories are gone. From there they are confronted by the MCP's elite soldiers who reveal themselves as followers of the MCP and they are now prisoners of war. Battle ensues. Tron fights to help everybody escape. Kevin, Sam, Quorra and Tron are now fugitives on the grid... Any comments so far?

aside froma few things, that sounds like a great fan-fic.

Actually, any idea we post here becomes public domain, I think. Not that being hired as a TR3N writer wouldn't be a simple thing for me. I'll go on record here - you can have my ideas for $1.00. :-) Just use them. Consider me hired.

That being said: here are some more...

Let's assume I am Sam Flynn. I grew up without my father. I find out 20 years later, he's been trapped in a virtual world of his own creation and couldn't return home. I also find out that the environment he created is self-evolutionary and is capable of giving rise to unexpected and even intelligent creations like Quorra. Further, I discover that transport between the real world and the virtual world, in every real sense, is 100% possible. While this is a variation on quantum teleportation, it also begs some very interesting questions...

Who is to say what "death" truly is in a world where life can manifest out of nothing and then move from a virtual world into our own? How much control can I exercise as a "user" or an adept upon the creation or even the reconstruction of this life? I am always impressed by how much the makers of TRON really do "get it" - the whole what makes programmers and computer culture tick. They actually try to do this and tell a good story, and they succeed at both at times.

So... what does it take for Sam to create his own little Frankenstein monster by building an elaborate search program designed to piece together the remnants of his father into a new being with the hope of resurrecting him? This might be a very fragile process. Quorra might be the root code he could use as an example of modeling a living, breathing life-form out of digital nothingness - plus a 20 year repository of intimate knowledge of Kevin Flynn (the missing time Sam doesn't have). They could be working on this together - perhaps to the exclusion of the rest of the world around them? How would Alan and others react to this seclusion and obsession? Would they know? What would it look like?

Enter Dillinger -- he actually could side with Alan. Sam is not really in this. He is obsessed with bringing back his dead father, not securing his legacy. Maybe Dillinger Jr. even means well. Maybe Dillinger Jr. seems bad at first, but really he is the voice of reason in an idealistic landscape that has lost its grip on reality? Maybe he and Alan reboot TRON to save Sam from himself? Maybe the resurrected Kevin Flynn isn't meant to return and is really the harbinger of some real danger for everyone. Maybe the Flynn 2.0 turns out to be a monster that can't be controlled and maybe it even knows it (the part of him that is actually Kevin Flynn) and is secretly planning his own demise?

Is there room here to salvage Flynn himself? Is it a battle for his soul and Sam's? How does Quorra factor into the whole equation?

I think finding the depth in these characters and coming out of the space-opera motiff could really give people something to think about. Plus - we weave into the story the very real fact that life as we know it is totally dependent today on the interlinked machines that run our lives. What if something truly malevolent and intelligent began to assert itself in that realm? What dangers would there be for all of us?

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Disc Warrior Wrote: Jackie Lawless Wrote:anyone whose seen The Next Day knows that Alan believes Dilinger Jr. 'earned his keep'. I agree, he's going to be on the same track as his did in aiding with a new MCP, but i think they're going to have a divide when he gtets backstabbed by Dilinger sr. or he realizes what hes created and goes into an 'Im not my father' and aids Sam. and for some reason... id like to see another security program like Tron. I definately think the MCP isnt going to be as vulnerable as he was in the first film. Trons gonna need some help. I think that Alan was happy to be back in charge and since Jr. was insanely talented and hadn't done anything illegal, he had no choice but to keep him. Maybe Alan will try to recruit him to the light side but who knows... I think we're forgetting the "bump in the road" Dillinger chat too... how are they not talking about a coup de tat?

we honestly dont know what they were talking about. for all we know, Dilinger sr. could be duping his son into believing that he simply wants to restore his own legacy. we can only speculate what the convo was about. we definitely know dilinger sr. is a bad guy. but what has a flynn done to the boy? nothing except shame his father.

i think he can definitely go either way. starting off on the negative, but eventually going with the positive.

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Jackie Lawless Wrote: Disc Warrior Wrote: Jackie Lawless Wrote:anyone whose seen The Next Day knows that Alan believes Dilinger Jr. 'earned his keep'. I agree, he's going to be on the same track as his did in aiding with a new MCP, but i think they're going to have a divide when he gtets backstabbed by Dilinger sr. or he realizes what hes created and goes into an 'Im not my father' and aids Sam. and for some reason... id like to see another security program like Tron. I definately think the MCP isnt going to be as vulnerable as he was in the first film. Trons gonna need some help. I think that Alan was happy to be back in charge and since Jr. was insanely talented and hadn't done anything illegal, he had no choice but to keep him. Maybe Alan will try to recruit him to the light side but who knows... I think we're forgetting the "bump in the road" Dillinger chat too... how are they not talking about a coup de tat? we honestly dont know what they were talking about. for all we know, Dilinger sr. could be duping his son into believing that he simply wants to restore his own legacy. we can only speculate what the convo was about. we definitely know dilinger sr. is a bad guy. but what has a flynn done to the boy? nothing except shame his father. i think he can definitely go either way. starting off on the negative, but eventually going with the positive.

True, and shame his father who, y'know, did something worth being ashamed about. Do we know that the conversation was even amiable? It's possible I suppose that Jr. came to Encom because there was something there he actually believed in, or felt he needed to make right.

Firejack Wrote:Actually, any idea we post here becomes public domain, I think. Not that being hired as a TR3N writer wouldn't be a simple thing for me. I'll go on record here - you can have my ideas for $1.00. :-) Just use them. Consider me hired. That being said: here are some more... Let's assume I am Sam Flynn. I grew up without my father. I find out 20 years later, he's been trapped in a virtual world of his own creation and couldn't return home. I also find out that the environment he created is self-evolutionary and is capable of giving rise to unexpected and even intelligent creations like Quorra. Further, I discover that transport between the real world and the virtual world, in every real sense, is 100% possible. While this is a variation on quantum teleportation, it also begs some very interesting questions... Who is to say what "death" truly is in a world where life can manifest out of nothing and then move from a virtual world into our own? How much control can I exercise as a "user" or an adept upon the creation or even the reconstruction of this life? I am always impressed by how much the makers of TRON really do "get it" - the whole what makes programmers and computer culture tick. They actually try to do this and tell a good story, and they succeed at both at times. So... what does it take for Sam to create his own little Frankenstein monster by building an elaborate search program designed to piece together the remnants of his father into a new being with the hope of resurrecting him? This might be a very fragile process. Quorra might be the root code he could use as an example of modeling a living, breathing life-form out of digital nothingness - plus a 20 year repository of intimate knowledge of Kevin Flynn (the missing time Sam doesn't have). They could be working on this together - perhaps to the exclusion of the rest of the world around them? How would Alan and others react to this seclusion and obsession? Would they know? What would it look like? Enter Dillinger -- he actually could side with Alan. Sam is not really in this. He is obsessed with bringing back his dead father, not securing his legacy. Maybe Dillinger Jr. even means well. Maybe Dillinger Jr. seems bad at first, but really he is the voice of reason in an idealistic landscape that has lost its grip on reality? Maybe he and Alan reboot TRON to save Sam from himself? Maybe the resurrected Kevin Flynn isn't meant to return and is really the harbinger of some real danger for everyone. Maybe the Flynn 2.0 turns out to be a monster that can't be controlled and maybe it even knows it (the part of him that is actually Kevin Flynn) and is secretly planning his own demise? Is there room here to salvage Flynn himself? Is it a battle for his soul and Sam's? How does Quorra factor into the whole equation? I think finding the depth in these characters and coming out of the space-opera motiff could really give people something to think about. Plus - we weave into the story the very real fact that life as we know it is totally dependent today on the interlinked machines that run our lives. What if something truly malevolent and intelligent began to assert itself in that realm? What dangers would there be for all of us? end of line

The obsession and seclusion...sounds like of like KF as they described him in the film before he disappeared, eh?

The only thing with this is that I have a feeling people would again be complaining that there isn't enough action. I'd like to see something this complex, but I think it would take a very long film (or perhaps more than one). I like the idea as Dillinjr as "voice of reason" too, but, quite frankly, I'm not sure if the world is ready for a "there's no such thing as utopia" movie...I think anything that suggested that it's not a BIG WONDERFUL BUNNIES AND RAINBOWS thing to do some of the things it's been proposed the Grid/ISOs could do (medical breakthroughs, making people live close to forever, yada yada), is not going to be met well by most audiences.

Into that, though, you could definitely insert the idea that Kevin Flynn never comes out and says he still believes the ISOs are the answer to the future, does he? He speaks about it all excitedly, but he could just be evoking old emotions about prior attitudes. You could argue that he's now lived long enough to realize that maybe upsetting the natural balance of things might not work out so well (after all, we've seen what happens in nature when there aren't enough predators/other things to thin the population of certain species in certain habitats) and doesn't advocate for that anymore...he just never got a chance to say so to Sam and his glowing description of his past attitudes makes Sam think he still believes all of that. I mean, you could argue that he sends Quorra with Sam because he knows all hell's about to break loose on the Grid and he wants to save the two people there he cares about most, not because he necessarily intends for them to "save the world" once they escape the Grid.

(I think this would work much better as a fanfic than an actual movie, now that I think about it.)

Disc Warrior Wrote: Jackie Lawless Wrote:anyone whose seen The Next Day knows that Alan believes Dilinger Jr. 'earned his keep'. I agree, he's going to be on the same track as his did in aiding with a new MCP, but i think they're going to have a divide when he gtets backstabbed by Dilinger sr. or he realizes what hes created and goes into an 'Im not my father' and aids Sam. and for some reason... id like to see another security program like Tron. I definately think the MCP isnt going to be as vulnerable as he was in the first film. Trons gonna need some help. I think that Alan was happy to be back in charge and since Jr. was insanely talented and hadn't done anything illegal, he had no choice but to keep him. Maybe Alan will try to recruit him to the light side but who knows... I think we're forgetting the "bump in the road" Dillinger chat too... how are they not talking about a coup de tat?

Remember, Ed Jr. thinks he is communicating with his Father. Fans will love Mr. Murphy as a bad guy turned good guy. But Disney, one thing, don't kill off his character. That would be a mistake. He would make a great return in Tron 4, when he and Sam have to fight against an over reaching government agency.

Ed, "Sam,...thanks."

Sam, "For what?"

Ed, "For saving me from myself..., and the whole world destruction thing."

Sam, "just don't let it happen again. *both chuckle* by the way, your knowlege of the grid has to die with you. It can't get out."

Ed, "I understand, I'll cover our "digital" tracks, so to speak."

Sam, "Are you sure? This is imporant."

Ed, "I'm sure...trust me."

(Go to final music and credits)

At end of credits---

*communication between two unknown parties*

One, "Is this a problem we should look into?"

Two, "Could be."

One, "How soon can you get a team together?"

Two, "24 hours. Is this a National Security Issue?"

One, "Isn't it always?"


Cut to black