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Kat Wrote:Oh, honey, everybody has lots of issues with it, trust me... if I had a dollar for every time we went around about all this stuff here... I think it's not that it's a bad film so much as we're fond enough of it that we want it to be perfect. I know plenty of films that were utterly ridiculous that I just wouldn't bother to pick apart.

*resists urge to make the obligatory comment about perfection and its nature* Anyway....

Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote:Oh, honey, everybody has lots of issues with it, trust me... if I had a dollar for every time we went around about all this stuff here... I think it's not that it's a bad film so much as we're fond enough of it that we want it to be perfect. I know plenty of films that were utterly ridiculous that I just wouldn't bother to pick apart. *resists urge to make the obligatory comment about perfection and its nature* Anyway.... Yeah, well, I think Flynn was wrong about that too.

One might argue that being "unknowable" is a flaw...

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Don't worry, even though I had seen many upon many times, as of a few years ago I was still hearing and noticing random things I hadn't noticed before -- some of which most people probably don't miss. I don't think I realized he was saying Sherman until I had the captions on 5 or 10 years ago; and didn't understand what it was a reference to until I looked it up online around 5 years ago. And when I looked it up, that's when I noticed "wayback" in the captions should actually be "WABAC."

SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:

This thread could be interesting. I think I might rather know where all the hidden references and goodies are, though, since bloopers can kind've spoil a movie for me a bit
I think the portal is right above the street where sam poped up ,or the lap is right under the spot sam poped up.

I was watching "Identity" and during the light cycle chase when Beck crashes, you can see when Tron is turning around his circuitry is red instead of white.

Bold Face 7 Wrote: SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: - I've heard from a friend that Sam refers to his dad as "Flynn" at one point (maybe when calling out for him toward latter half of the movie)... which seems odd, since he should say, "Dad," right? - Sam took the baton from his fellow derezzed lightcyclist's hand and put it in a sheath on his leg. When Clu removed Sam from his lightcycle, why didn't Sam use the extra baton to make a new cycle to fight Clu from his bike rather than on-foot? - For Sam to get into his dad's lab he has to go through a maze to get there, but in the computer world he seemingly pops out of Flynn's Arcade like the lab was right next to the main entrance of the arcade. (Seems like this could be a little continuity blip.) - How is Clu and crew able to get to Flynn's hideout when their vehicles supposedly can't get there earlier in the movie? - In the early parts of the movie, does Clu not know where Flynn's hideout is? I wasn't sure. If he doesn't, how does he NOT know since Flynn's hideout lights up like a lighbulb on the dark cliff wall? And if he does know, then why doesn't he just fly over there like he does later in the movie? - I think young Sam has brown eyes but older Sam has blue eyes. This thread could be interesting. I think I might rather know where all the hidden references and goodies are, though, since bloopers can kind've spoil a movie for me a bit I think the portal is right above the street where sam poped up ,or the lap is right under the spot sam poped up.

I don't think we need to worry about spoilers here. Doubtless there are many fans who've never seen the films...

Anyway, in order (and this has all been hashed through before but it's been a while):

--The part where he says "Flynn" is when he types the "whoami" command into the console. It returns the username: Flynn, which Sam says out loud as if he should've already guessed.

--I still seem to remember seeing a part where Sam loses the new baton somehow, but I can't for the life of me think how. I just remember thinking it's plausible. Anyone rewatch and see?

--I think they just didn't show us that part. After all, they don't show him getting up from the chair either but obvious he does.

--Flying, I imagine.

--We always figured it might be cloaked somehow.

--I thought that too at first, but when you look closely he does have blue eyes (they look dark in part because of the low light, and because his pupils are very dilated because of the low light. http://www.homeofthenutty.com/movies/screencaps/displayimage.php?album=140&pid=150543#top_display_media). It's just the hair (dark brown and curly vs. blond and straight-- and while a person's hair can change color and/or texture as they grow up, it's rare for it to happen to that extent and usually it darkens rather than lightens) and the age (he looks about 10 or 12 when he's supposed to be 6) that don't even remotely jive.

Bold Face 7 Wrote:- Sam took the baton from his fellow derezzed lightcyclist's hand and put it in a sheath on his leg. When Clu removed Sam from his lightcycle, why didn't Sam use the extra baton to make a new cycle to fight Clu from his bike rather than on-foot?

I'll have to watch for this next time.

Bold Face 7 Wrote:- For Sam to get into his dad's lab he has to go through a maze to get there, but in the computer world he seemingly pops out of Flynn's Arcade like the lab was right next to the main entrance of the arcade. (Seems like this could be a little continuity blip.)

It's called a jump cut, where the editor assumes you can fill in the gaps yourself. Do you really need to watch him run out of the entire thing? They'd just shown him walking in a few minutes ago.

The same thing happens with Sam's bicycle-to-motorbike cut, the Recognizer ride (not entirely coherent I assure you) Quorra and Sam's journey to the hideout, Sam teleporting from the arcade entrance into the arcade office (yes, it happened, Sam has real-world God powers)...

Bold Face 7 Wrote:- How is Clu and crew able to get to Flynn's hideout when their vehicles supposedly can't get there earlier in the movie?

This assumes they knew earlier in the movie that they knew where he was hiding. They didn't...

Bold Face 7 Wrote:- In the early parts of the movie, does Clu not know where Flynn's hideout is?

...but you kinda knew that yourself xD

Bold Face 7 Wrote:I wasn't sure. If he doesn't, how does he NOT know since Flynn's hideout lights up like a lighbulb on the dark cliff wall? And if he does know, then why doesn't he just fly over there like he does later in the movie?

This may sound like a lazy explanation, but we can't assume programs see the same way we do. Even if they do, Flynn's hideout was miles and miles away from the city. Even if the city was visible from his window, it doesn't mean Flynn's hideout would be visible to CLU. Maybe Flynn put some kind of cloak on it?

HooDooMan Wrote:(I think I once estimated from a concept development map of the Grid that the Safehouse was about 60 miles away from the edge of TRON City)

I'm not sure if you're the source of that estimation, but what I extrapolated last year was based on the portal being 60 miles from the Grid City.

According to the CDM, the safehouse is about 6.7miles away from the center.