I know what it is... I have this feeling of "NOOOO!" with that scene as one of my favorite characters in the Tron world explodes.

All I can hope is that there is another movie and that he's ok!! Not much to ask is it?

-D

^^ I've always thought enough time passes "overnight" at Flynn's sanctuary, that it counts as the second night. They have dinner, and talk some more ... then Flynn says, "good night, Sam." I don't think we ever see how much actual time, or millicycles, passes after Quorra gives Sam the sector key and before Sam leaves for TRON city ... but it does kinda feel like the next day. I mean he would have had to wait for Flynn to fall asleep, then maneuver the cycle onto the platform, then somehow get the bike out of the Outlands ... it takes time to successfully burgle your dad's motorcycle.

Also if I remember, we don't see the parachute marks on Sam's back when the Sirens give him his light suit and disc. Maybe those scrapes went away in 24 hours and then he went to the arcade the following evening. Bam! " ... two nights ago."


And for sure there was already an ENCOM tower. I don't know why Flynn reacts to that as though he'd built the company up from inside his garage. His look was like, "a tower, huh, wow, never thought they'd build a tower ... "

Rectify Wrote:^^ I've always thought enough time passes "overnight" at Flynn's sanctuary, that it counts as the second night.

Shouldn't that make it "last night" then?

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Rectify Wrote:^^ I've always thought enough time passes "overnight" at Flynn's sanctuary, that it counts as the second night. They have dinner, and talk some more ... then Flynn says, "good night, Sam." I don't think we ever see how much actual time, or millicycles, passes after Quorra gives Sam the sector key and before Sam leaves for TRON city ... but it does kinda feel like the next day. I mean he would have had to wait for Flynn to fall asleep, then maneuver the cycle onto the platform, then somehow get the bike out of the Outlands ... it takes time to successfully burgle your dad's motorcycle. Also if I remember, we don't see the parachute marks on Sam's back when the Sirens give him his light suit and disc. Maybe those scrapes went away in 24 hours and then he went to the arcade the following evening. Bam! " ... two nights ago." And for sure there was already an ENCOM tower. I don't know why Flynn reacts to that as though he'd built the company up from inside his garage. His look was like, "a tower, huh, wow, never thought they'd build a tower ... "

Flynn tells him, though, that the portal only stays open "about eight hours." i assume that's eight hours in-Grid... because with the time differential we've had elsewhere, 8 hours in the real world would be about two weeks on-Grid and there's no way he was there that long. (I think we've debated that before and I'm thinking that for the most part, we'd thought they meant 8 hours in-Grid.)

Bruises don't go away in 24 hours, however! Especially not bruises like that. Although my guess is that minor stuff may not get transferred to the Grid-- your body, yeah, but maybe the laser doesn't re-create every little zit and scrape you have in the real world. (I've had long discussions elsewhere about what exactly DOES go with you-- in my case I was wondering if a user would show up with things like piercings that they have in the real world-- but that's a different discussion for a different thread if we wanted to worry about that stuff.)

My only guess on the tower thing is that maybe previously Encom wasn't taking up enough space in whatever building they had for it to be considered "Encom tower"? And now they're big enough that they do? (Isn't a building usually named after the biggest company in it if it's taking up significant-enough space, even if the company doesn't actually own the building? Wasn't that the issue with renaming the Sears Tower, or am I thinking of something else?) So that was all I could think on that issue.

(And no, no idea why everybody acted like Flynn had started the company and yada yada. He was CEO for a few years. Big deal, so was Dillinger. It wasn't "his" company. Sure, he may've cared about it... we all care about our jobs to an extent, but come on. I mean, even Ernie-the-security-guard obviously has this new respect for Sam once he finds out whose son he is. Why? Ernie clearly hasn't even been with the company long enough to know who Sam is (or he'd know all about the pranks and this would be old hat for him by now) but he still acts like he's met the son of someone really big-deal-- whoooooa, man, you're Flynn's kid! I've never figured that out, but then it's why I never quite understood the whole "Flynn Lives" thing either. Big-deal CEO dude disappears. Big whoop. It'd be out of the news after a month, esp. since there obviously wouldn't be any new leads coming out over the years to bring it back into the spotlight.

Kaisergrendel Wrote: At first I thought maybe Alan didn't receive the page on the same night as the stunt, but the movie did go a long way to showing that he'd just gotten out of jail when Alan visited him. Maybe he spent two nights in lockup?? Encom was occupied maybe a few floors of an office building but not an entire tower, as I understand it.

Well, he didn't-- he tells Sam he got the page "last night." (Of course, we could debate what this means-- just earlier that same evening, if it's in the wee hours as I suspect it would've had to have been to make the timeline work, or truly the day before?)

I had thought maybe it was the few floors/whole tower thing too, but my guess is that the laser lab would've had to be in the basement or at least on a low floor, I think Dillinger's office is shown to be high up, right so he might even be on the top floor, and they have a helipad on the roof (really, Disney? Who takes a private company helicopter to work every day???). So that makes me think Encom took up a significant amount of space in whatever building they were occupying at the time, even back then.


Yeah, I suppose this is another of those "overthinking it" things... Probably just a bunch of mistakes Disney made. (but it BUGS me if they were! Why didn't it bug them? I'm bothered by the fact that I have written in stories about various motorcycles Sam has owned and whether they have a passenger seat/whether that seat has a handle/etc. if I don't get it right*... and they made a major motion picture with flaws like many we've found and they don't care!)


*For the record, in my Sam story about the night of his Encom prank... yes the Sport Classic has a passenger seat. It just has a cover that goes over the top, hence why it appears not to. i wrote that it doesn't. That bothers me but it sounded good so I left it and try to ignore it. I get a bit type-A with details sometimes, in case you hadn't noticed, heh.

Rectify Wrote:Continuity is important to help suspend disbelief ... and believe it or not, Legacy is pretty well cut together.

I can say in all honesty that finding out what continuity errors were damaged my viewing experience forever. I'm not a particularly observant person in this respect but now that I know to look for it it bugs me endlessssly

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Kaisergrendel Wrote:One thing I could have probably lived without knowing.

I'm sorry, I don't want to ruin a scene for anyone. Let me cut that part out of my post. Nothing can take away from Bruce's performance, though. Just imagine how great Alan Bradley will be as chairman of ENCOM, going up against Dillinger Jr. in TR3N!

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Anybody remember-- in OT, when Flynn's talking with Alan and Lora in the arcade and he says "set the wayback machine to..." what year does he say?

Reading the script online (http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html) and in that he says 1973. I know it's an earlier version of the script than the final, so that part may've been changed by the time of filming.

It just occurred to me, since the script describes Flynn as being in his mid-20s in 1982, and he talks about 1973 being when Dillinger stole his games-- that would mean Flynn was working at Encom creating games when he was in high school, like 14 or 15, which doesn't sound right and I doubt that's what they meant to imply.

Unless OT isn't meant to be actually set in '82?

Okay, found a timeline (see bottom of page). Again, probably shouldn't be taken as gospel since some ARG info/facts mentioned, in general, were a bit erroneous, where they had contradictions with the movie and even their own factoids on occasion. They did their best to try to fill gaps, though, and this seems pretty safe:

Encom International: http://www.encominternational.com/past.htm * A prototype of the Tron program was created January 30, 1980. * Space Paranoids becomes the top-selling arcade game in America in August of 1981. * Kevin Flynn is re-hired as SVP of Creative Development July 9, 1982.

Based on these events, as well as products/locations/fashions/scenes seen in the movie, I'd say it's safe to say the original takes place in the 1981/1982 timeframe. I'm thinking probably late 1981 or early 1982, just prior to Flynn being re-hired in July 1982.