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Posts: 1,461 | From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 1:08 AM
Maybe I'm miscalculating the size, but from the wide shot, the one where we see the chambers rotating and falling into position )which seemed to be from the viewpoint of the seats), it got me wondering, would it be possible to see anything of what was happening in the fight?
Sure the effects of the room morphing looked cool, but if I was going to a disc wars arena, I think I'd much prefer a setup more like what you see in Tennis. Each chamber being up-close and personal. Seems like the game fans were too far away from the action. And being more eye-level further increases the problem when compared to classic stadiums where you're more or less looking down at the playing field.
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Posts: 52 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 3:10 AM
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 6:43 AM
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Posts: 49 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 11:25 AM
lemme throw a weird theory into the discussion..
How can we be sure that you have to adjust your eyes to the range of what you are looking at, in the grid too?
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 11:27 AM
/Charon Wrote:lemme throw a weird theory into the discussion..
How can we be sure that you have to adjust your eyes to the range of what you are looking at, in the grid too? |
Well if it's anything like the movie implies... it demands MORE effort, since the real world is only 2D and the grid is 3D '> |
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Posts: 609 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 12:33 PM
Why even have spectators at all? In the first film the only spectators were those watching from the other side of the screen. Since this is a closed system, do programs really enjoy watching other programs get derezzed? If so they could simply watch them holographically projected from anywhere. I found the spectator stands and crowd cheers in Legacy rather silly and wasn't at all necessary.
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Posts: 218 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 1:23 PM
CorrupTron Wrote:
Why even have spectators at all? In the first film the only spectators were those watching from the other side of the screen. Since this is a closed system, do programs really enjoy watching other programs get derezzed? If so they could simply watch them holographically projected from anywhere. I found the spectator stands and crowd cheers in Legacy rather silly and wasn't at all necessary.
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Clu is giving his people breads and circuses. Part of "creating the perfect system" is turning them away from the User(s) and purging weakness. The Game Grid rewards strength/perfection among combatants, and gives programs something other than the User(s) and Clu's own tyranny and to think about. Apparently programs are susceptible to mob mentality just like users are, and putting them together in close quarters and letting them roar at the violence was a useful method of control.
A better question might be why did Kevin Flynn import the Game Grid at all, as brutal as it was, from the Encom system when he built his own grid?
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Posts: 382 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 1:42 PM
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A better question might be why did Kevin Flynn import the Game Grid at all, as brutal as it was, from the Encom system when he built his own grid? |
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 9:37 PM
That was what I thought too when I read Tron Betrayal, that it was literally a game, no one died. Then Tron got upset when he found out programs who lost were killed.
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ShadowDragon1 User
Posts: 2,056 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 9:50 PM
Bartik to Castor "...more Programs are disappearing..."
The Recognizers were not only capturing "strays" (Programs with no discs), but were most likely arresting and capturing any and all dissident Programs gradually over time.
Not all of them were sent to the games, many were also sent to be rectified, if scanned and deemed useful to be re-purposed.
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 9:56 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: Bartik to Castor "...more Programs are disappearing..."
The Recognizers were not only capturing "strays" (Programs with no discs), but were most likely arresting and capturing any and all dissident Programs gradually over time.
Not all of them were sent to the games, many were also sent to be rectified, if scanned and deemed useful to be re-purposed. |
So anyone who was a "good little program" and followed the rules got to live a normal happy life (albeit under a dictatorship) in the city? So CLU's entire army is comprised of dissenters? Wouldn't he possibly find he'd have a more effective army if he got some loyalists rather than brainwashed zombies?abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion '> |
ShadowDragon1 User
Posts: 2,056 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:00 PM
Maybe half or majority most likely were once rogue/resistors/dissenters;
I'm sure alot of those Sentry-soldiers where Programs loyal to Clu and volunteered as well.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:06 PM
Sounds logical but what if he was successful in breaking into the real world. Who would man things on the Grid? Seems like there were two sections of programs, the ones he was taking with him and the ones left behind.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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ShadowDragon1 User
Posts: 2,056 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:09 PM
local sentries and forces stationed in the main city I am sure would monitor things.
I don't think 100% of sentries,patroling tanks and Recos were on the Carrier...
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:10 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Sounds logical but what if he was successful in breaking into the real world. Who would man things on the Grid? Seems like there were two sections of programs, the ones he was taking with him and the ones left behind. |
Well I know who ISN'T going to be running it. Castor. ^_^
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:16 PM
I hope Castor escaped the End of Line Club blowing up... he could of had a hidden escape hatch/chute in the floor...
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:23 PM
Tron Fanatic Wrote:IluthraDanar Wrote:Sounds logical but what if he was successful in breaking into the real world. Who would man things on the Grid? Seems like there were two sections of programs, the ones he was taking with him and the ones left behind. |
Well I know who ISN'T going to be running it. Castor. ^_^
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What made him think Clu was going to give him control of the city, unless knowing Clu wasn't going to be around, he figured, why not me. But why didn't Clu let him have it, if HE wasn't going to be there?
Anyone know why Castor went from fighting beside the ISOs to hating Users?
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:40 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Tron Fanatic Wrote:IluthraDanar Wrote:Sounds logical but what if he was successful in breaking into the real world. Who would man things on the Grid? Seems like there were two sections of programs, the ones he was taking with him and the ones left behind. |
Well I know who ISN'T going to be running it. Castor. ^_^
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What made him think Clu was going to give him control of the city, unless knowing ClLu wasn't going to be around, he figured, why not me. But why didn't Clu let him have it, if HE wasn't going to be there?
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He told Sam why he did it. Can't remember the exact wording, but "The game has changed", and "I had to reinvent myself", were involved. Basically, he had to adapt to survive, and become essentially an entirely different person, like a businessman might become a mobster after martial law is declared.
I don't think he ever was really loyal to CLU though either. While the flow of the film almost implies that Castor called Clu up on the phone and told him that Sam was there, I don't think there's any way he would've had time to do it. I don't think he even knew CLU was coming, but he kept his cool once he realized it.
BUT... Castor steps out of the way and lets Sam go battle with the guards - in fact his body language encouraged it. I think deep down he was probably hoping that Sam would pwn them all, but he wanted to see which way things went, so he didn't back himself into a corner. The Users turned tail and ran, Castor got all buddy buddy with CLU, but CLU saw past it.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 10:55 PM
Ah now the way I saw it and maybe I am putting something into it, Castor was told to keep an ear and eye open for anything unusual, being the program who knows everything that's going on. They show the tower leading up to the club light up, and when Clu is in Flynn's house, just after he trashed the table, he looks towards the city and says "Lets move". I thought he had seen Castor's sign to him. The way he said it would be quite a ride, just before the guard crashes the party, seemed too coincidental. No one else thought of the lit club elevator tower as a warning to Clu?
I noticed the symbol on Castor's forehead that he covers up. My theory was he was sympathetic to the ISOs or was one himself, and when Clu killed them, he blamed Flynn for a: creating Clu, and b: for not saving the ISOs as the Creator. Just the way he says I believed in the Users once. And yes, he is into complete self preservation now. Just made one minor mistake in trusting Clu.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: From a spectator's perspective, was the Disc arena even feasible? on Thursday, March, 10, 2011 11:05 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Ah now the way I saw it and maybe I am putting something into it, Castor was told to keep an ear and eye open for anything unusual, being the program who knows everything that's going on. They show the tower leading up to the club light up, and when Clu is in Flynn's house, just after he trashed the table, he looks towards the city and says "Lets move". I thought he had seen Castor's sign to him. The way he said it would be quite a ride, just before the guard crashes the party, seemed too coincidental. No one else thought of the lit club elevator tower as a warning to Clu?
I noticed the symbol on Castor's forehead that he covers up. My theory was he was sympathetic to the ISOs or was one himself, and when Clu killed them, he blamed Flynn for a: creating Clu, and b: for not saving the ISOs as the Creator. Just the way he says I believed in the Users once. And yes, he is into complete self preservation now. Just made one minor mistake in trusting Clu. |
Eesh, for some reason I never even caught that. When CLU is looking out that way, all I thought of was him staring at the portal and somehow getting an idea of where Sam might have gone off to. I guess it was too subtle for my taste with a massive beam of light already projecting into the sky. I guess he shoulda had some spotlights mounted on that thing that could project some kind of funky effect on the clouds.
And yeah he was sympathetic to the ISO's. He was Zeus previously, who Quorra said used to fight alongside them. '> |
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