haljrdn13 User
 Posts: 12 | question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 1:15 PM
so in the original movie all the programs had a human counterpart somplace and most of the programs we saw were part of the encom staff like TRON/ Alan YORI/ Laura, if not brought in by the MCP like RAM.
So why is it that the programs in legacy didnt all look like Flynn if programs are suppose to look like thier user or was CLU stealing programs from other systems too or Kevin for that matter.
I would think this would be the case unless Kevin flynn was having other users create programs to populate his new grid like he did with bringing TRON over.
I know having a bunch of kevin flynn clones would have been kinda weird/boring but that was my understanding of the Tron program world,
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mason.bat User
 Posts: 6 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 2:18 PM
In theory yes, there should be more existing programs that look like Flynn as programs are supposed to appear like the person who wrote them. For example, there have been two CLUs, one that was killed when Flynn was trying to get his evidence in the first movie and then the other that appeared in Legacy (given he was a copy of Flynn himself).
Maybe someone else can clarify? I don't claim to be an expert.
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Mayorcan User
 Posts: 188 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 2:43 PM
Flynn created the Grid, not all those programs that populated it. As I understand it, he installed all those various programs much like we today install all kinds of software to our personal computers. Obviously, we don't write every single program because we're neither all programmers nor all full of free time. Flynn, being newly-minted CEO and expectant father had his hands full just designing and maintaining the Grid. It is ridiculous to assume even for the movie's sake that he wrote all of those programs. There are millions of them.
As the Grid evolved, both under Flynn's guidance and after his exile, the programs developed their own culture, styles, and independence. After all, none of them had their original Users to answer to. Flynn was the only User. And once Clu took over, most decided they didn't even need Flynn.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online
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 Posts: 2,395 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 6:21 PM
mason.bat Wrote:In theory yes, there should be more existing programs that look like Flynn as programs are supposed to appear like the person who wrote them. For example, there have been two CLUs, one that was killed when Flynn was trying to get his evidence in the first movie and then the other that appeared in Legacy (given he was a copy of Flynn himself).
Maybe someone else can clarify? I don't claim to be an expert. |
Im not sure why there would have been two Clus? Since as you said, the first one was derezzed in the first movie. So Flynn had to make the new one.
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haljrdn13 User
 Posts: 12 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 7:16 PM
I guess there isn't a real explanation then unless they were all isos too because I know they spawned themselves. I guess in theory Flynn could have seen many useful programs at encom and copied them for his grid. In the movie we do see him make the new CLU maybe he remade him because in the original movie he does say that was his best program when the MCP derezzes the original CLU and felt like he would be good for his new grid
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![]() Posts: 99 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Tuesday, February, 08, 2011 9:24 PM
I'm guessing he bought most them over from the original Grid much like he bought Tron over.
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mason.bat User
 Posts: 6 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Wednesday, February, 09, 2011 9:44 AM
Kat Wrote:Im not sure why there would have been two Clus? Since as you said, the first one was derezzed in the first movie. So Flynn had to make the new one.
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I remember Flynn clearly calling him Clu.
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Mayorcan User
 Posts: 188 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Wednesday, February, 09, 2011 10:22 AM
I'm going to be bold and say the book canon is over-ruled by the movie itself. Nowhere in the movie does it imply Flynn created all the programs. He is called "the Creator" in reference to the world he made, not to its inhabitants save Clu.
For all we know, the author of the novelization probably made some un-educated conclusions about what the Grid was like for the sake of fleshing out the book. And of course, nothing stops us as individuals from asserting our own personal takes on what exactly is "canon" for the Tron world. At the end of the day, we have to remember this is a work of fiction we're talking about.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Wednesday, February, 09, 2011 5:47 PM
mason.bat Wrote:Kat Wrote:Im not sure why there would have been two Clus? Since as you said, the first one was derezzed in the first movie. So Flynn had to make the new one.
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There IS a new Clu. He's the "bad guy" in the new film. However, the old Clu is dead, so he would not appear in the new Grid.
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IMAGinES User
![]() Posts: 126 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Thursday, February, 10, 2011 8:02 PM
Mayorcan Wrote:I'm going to be bold and say the book canon is over-ruled by the movie itself. Nowhere in the movie does it imply Flynn created all the programs. |
How about Castor's line: "the son of our maker"?
Personally, I think the explanation lies in the difference in process. When a user writes a program, he spends time writing and / or modifying code, testing it, then compiling it. It's a lengthy process involving a lot of keystrokes. Also, the user isn't aware that he's creating an electronic being in a digital alternate dimension; he's just writing a program.
Now consider what we see of the process Flynn follows when creating Clu in T:L. He kneels and touches the surface of the Grid which manifests a vertical, reflective surface. He then touches that, and a second later removes his hand and steps around the surface to greet his reflection and give it purpose. Instant program. And not just any program; from his comment to Sam at the start of the movie, he's crated a fully-functioning artificial intelligence on par with the MCP. Also, he knew full well that he was creating an electronic being in a digital alternate dimension.
Let's face it; the movie's presentation may have glossed over a shiteload of prep that Flynn could have done before that Big Moment. Maybe he'd even meditated on the structure of Clu's code so that it was all in his head when he started the process. Still, Flynn was doing something that no human being had ever, ever done before: Built an entire software platform from within.
Also, and I could be wrong here, when Clu makes his move, we pan down from a tower which looks very much like it's building itself, parts of it slowly materialising. Maybe Flynn discovered some method of iterating code from some kind of basic seed, so that it would build and develop on its own with some external guidance (from Flynn and/or Clu). Perhaps part of that process resulted in the population of the Grid; as the code, Flynn and/or Clu realised that the evolving system required a program to fulfill a particular function, one just rezzed up to fulfill the requirement.
And as this process, whilst based on Flynn's principles and basic code, was pretty much self-organising, the resulting programs didn't look like Flynn.
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: question about programs and their human counterparts on Thursday, February, 10, 2011 8:09 PM
IMAGinES Wrote:Mayorcan Wrote:I'm going to be bold and say the book canon is over-ruled by the movie itself. Nowhere in the movie does it imply Flynn created all the programs. |
How about Castor's line: "the son of our maker"?
Personally, I think the explanation lies in the difference in process. When a user writes a program, he spends time writing and / or modifying code, testing it, then compiling it. It's a lengthy process involving a lot of keystrokes. Also, the user isn't aware that he's creating an electronic being in a digital alternate dimension; he's just writing a program.
Now consider what we see of the process Flynn follows when creating Clu in T:L. He kneels and touches the surface of the Grid which manifests a vertical, reflective surface. He then touches that, and a second later removes his hand and steps around the surface to greet his reflection and give it purpose. Instant program. And not just any program; from his comment to Sam at the start of the movie, he's crated a fully-functioning artificial intelligence on par with the MCP. Also, he knew full well that he was creating an electronic being in a digital alternate dimension.
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I had thought that was probably a process exclusive just to Clu's creation, though, since he is a digital version of Flynn. I had also suggested that might be an explanation for why Flynn dies if he reintegrates with Clu--because Clu was created in a different way, from a part of him, rather than just typing code (in fact this is strongly suggested, if not stated outright, since they can "reintegrate" at all, which means that Clu came FROM Flynn, right?). (Which begs the question...is this the only way to destroy Clu? Or if not, and he can, say, be derezzed with a disc, what happens to Flynn if Clu IS a part of him?) But I don't imagine all programs are created this way.
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