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ettercap
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CLU's Coup (Possible Spoilers)

on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 8:02 PM
I've seen Legacy three times now, and I've made an observation about CLU's declaration of a coup to Flynn and Tron. ...And pardon me if this has already been posted.

CLU asks Flynn if he's to create the perfect system, Flynn responds "Yes", CLU steps back, helmet closes, and four members of CLU's Black Guard appear and begin to converge on Flynn and Tron. Tron pushes Flynn away, to protect him, and he begins to fend off the Black Guard.

The first couple of times I saw the movie I assumed that CLU was trying to bring down both Tron and Flynn since they were really the top dogs (aside from CLU). He wanted Flynn's disk, and the best way to get it and keep it was to kill the other two... But when Flynn fled and Tron started kicking Black Guard a** CLU changed his plans and rectified Tron. ...However, when Flynn runs off none of the Black Guard offer pursuit... not even CLU. If getting Flynn's disk at that moment was a key motive for the attack then why didn't anyone seem to care that he had just split? I may be slow on the uptake, but it finally occurred to me upon the third viewing that CLUs intention at that moment was to acquire/rectify Tron, and nothing else. Once he had TRON on his side acquiring Flynn's disk and gaining/keeping control of The Grid would be easy - since Tron was the best warrior on The Grid.

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RE: CLU's Coup (Possible Spoilers)

on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 8:13 PM
Interesting observations.

To me, it seems like CLU had plenty of opportunities to rectify Tron, though. Flynn left the Grid plenty of times, and CLU's anger had been growing for a long time. Like it was said in the movie, it was a coup.

It can't be a coup if you're only taking down the dude in second (maybe 3rd) command.

The Black Guards didn't chase, mainly due to the fact that Tron derezzed them all, and it seems, that as Flynn ran, he was not seen by CLU.

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RE: CLU's Coup (Possible Spoilers)

on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 8:38 PM
I don't think it was either of those options. In lieu of the parallel events occurring at the same time, such as the installation of an Iso co-system administrator and the Abraxas virus outbreak, I think Clu at this point was bent on putting Flynn out of the way for good.

Since their discovery, the Isos have become more and more important to Flynn. More important than his original intent to make the Grid a perfect system. Clu was to be Flynn's agent of perfection, bringing order to the chaos. At first Clu, tried to do what he could in Flynn's absence, and tolerated his burden of dealing with the Isos. However, once Flynn started returning and wanting to keep the Isos in spite of the Grid's problems, the wires finally snapped inside Clu's programming. Like HAL 9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey, the only way Clu saw to adhere to his programming while not committing a huge "logic error" was to get rid of the one obstacle preventing him from continuing his task: Flynn.

In 2001: ASO, HAL manifests this need first by producing a malfunction in the AE-35 antenna, the crew's sole link to Earth communications. HAL is the most advanced computer of the time, so it becomes unbelievable to the crew that he would mis-diagnose the AE-35 unit when it turns out they find it to be perfectly OK. Of course, once HAL notices their doubt, he moves swiftly to eliminate the astronauts.

Clu produces a "virus" out of a captured Iso. The virus draws Tron's and Flynn's attention, while Clu builds the resources necessary to wipe out the Isos once and for all. Flynn and Tron, like Bowman and Poole in 2001: ASO, realize the impossibility of a virus in the system. Tron also has his own suspicions based on his many cycles of monitoring Clu and his machinations. During a viral attack that occurred "coincidentally" during the installation of new system administrator Radia, Tron and Flynn never see Clu's strike coming. He can see Flynn does not fully believe Clu's Iso explanation for the event (ironically, the truth), and he also correctly bets Tron will do whatever Flynn says.

When the two are alone, on the way to the portal no less, Clu strikes. Although he did indeed lose Flynn at first, he also lost Tron (not really evident in the movie, but other sources, like the Betrayal comic and the descriptions of the Tron Uprising TV show). However, with Flynn out of the way, Clu could at least begin his Iso purge unopposed. It would probably be many cycles before he found Tron again and turned him into the fearsome Rinzler. At the same time, he was probably still searching for Flynn so he could finish the job.

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RE: CLU's Coup (Possible Spoilers)

on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 9:07 PM
A coup is effective if the person in charge is no longer in power. Flynn never made it to the portal, his right-hand man was gone (both were), and as Quorra states: the more Flynn fought the stronger CLU got. With Tron gone, and Flynn on the run, and a spin onthe situation making Flynn the bad guy the coup was complete.

typicaltronname Wrote:and it seems, that as Flynn ran, he was not seen by CLU.

Not sure how CLU wouldn't have noticed that. Flynn had the golden ticket of of The Grid. He was the creator, he was the one to take down, the big cheese. CLU's eyes would have been on him at all times if he had been the target. As I see it CLU let him run. He may have also timed the moment that he declared his intent so that it would throw off and delay Flynn's departure - thereby locking him in.

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RE: CLU's Coup (Possible Spoilers)

on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 9:55 PM
Did you even read Mayorcan's post?

At the time of the flashback, Clu wasn't after Flynn's disc at that point, he was just begining his coup to fully take over. He thought Flynn was "corrupted" and wanted to eliminate him, Tron killed all the Black Guard there and then jumped Clu to allow Flynn to escape.... Clu was going to kill Tron, but Tron did manage to escape.. (he plays a pivotal role in the upcoming animated series Tron: Uprising were he forms a resistance against Clu and his generals or somesuch. )

Flynn went into hiding thinking Tron was killed by Clu. It was later on that Clu sought to obtain Flynn's disc.

Tron fought Clu at a later point in time and was defeated and then "repurposed" by Clu to be "Rinzler". This most some of this likely will be covered in "Tron: Uprising" and some of it was covered in "Tron:Betrayal" the graphic novel and in the videogame "Tron: Evolution"....

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