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Posts: 51 | Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 2:11 PM
So, after seeing it again, I started thinking about the nature of the ISO’s. Do you guys think it’s possible that ISO’s could exist on other servers/mainframes? About all we know right know, is Flynn simply said, “The conditions were right and they just came into being.” Even he doesn’t know exactly how or why. It makes me wonder if it was Flynn’s work on The Grid, and the system which helped create the right conditions or if it was even outside of that. Which brings me back to the idea of whether or not ISO’s could be out there in other servers around the world? Maybe they are a product of the right electrical/energy balance. Which, could possibly manifest in ebbs and flows across many different mainframes, completely undetected. That might be a huge idea for a 3rd movie. Even more intriguing since they originally came out of Flynns, now dated and isolated server of the 80’s. Just imagine the possibilities the newer severs could/can hold.
So then, are the ISO’s traceable from the outside? Could Flynn have kept tabs on them while he was working on the The Grid from the arcade? Part of me thinks not because he might have noticed anomalies in the code while he was working. Maybe Quorra could somehow pick up on this type of thing from the outside. Now, that’d be wild!
Makes me wonder, had Flynn gotten out of The Grid, would he have been able to figure out how to possibly find more from the outside. Since clearly, C.L.U. took over before he got a chance for any of this.
One more thought, would it have been possible to create the Shiva Laser/another one, digitally in The Grid and Rezz it out into the real world? I have a feeling Sam will work on making the portal time much more stable and long lasting as well.
What is your guys take on all this. I’m still forming my ideas, so I’m sorry if this is a bit rough.
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Posts: 13 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 3:41 PM
The ISOs really made me think as well. It's also kinda funny to think about how all the mysteries of the human race just sorta spawned by chance in a computer. As for your whole 'Rezzing in a Shiva laser' idea, that's getting my mind into some weird stuff. The Grid within the Grid... 'Cause that wont make Programs wonder or anything!
Also, on a related note, what's Quorra made out of? Sam bled when Rinzler cut his arm, so he was still flesh and blood in the Grid, but does that mean that if Quorra's, say, shot in the leg, she'd partially Derezz?where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
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Posts: 8 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 5:33 PM
Ridley Wrote:Also, on a related note, what's Quorra made out of? Sam bled when Rinzler cut his arm, so he was still flesh and blood in the Grid, but does that mean that if Quorra's, say, shot in the leg, she'd partially Derezz? |
I've read that Quorra was composed of the molecules of Kevin Flynn that were still held within the laser, so I'd assume she'd bleed if shot. However, does she even function like a human? Do programs / ISOs have organs like humans, even digitally?
Also, this raises the question of how Clu would be able to bring his entire army into the "real" world if you needed matter to bring something from the Grid into our world.
I just chose to ignore this entirely. You can't logically explain the Tron universe.
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Posts: 34 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 7:23 PM
Ridley Wrote:The ISOs really made me think as well. It's also kinda funny to think about how all the mysteries of the human race just sorta spawned by chance in a computer. As for your whole 'Rezzing in a Shiva laser' idea, that's getting my mind into some weird stuff. The Grid within the Grid... 'Cause that wont make Programs wonder or anything!
Also, on a related note, what's Quorra made out of? Sam bled when Rinzler cut his arm, so he was still flesh and blood in the Grid, but does that mean that if Quorra's, say, shot in the leg, she'd partially Derezz? |
I doubt it, the reason he bled is because he still carries all the organic data of his body so if his skin is pierced he bleeds. BASICS and ISOs do not bleed because that organic function is not necessary in their world to begin with. That off course begs the question how exactly was her digital DNA which did not require blood but energy was changed to organic DNA which does require it.
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 8:07 PM
The digitization/re-materialization system using Flynn's uploaded master key, was able to extrapolate from Quorra's complex digital DNA (which contained genetic algorythms), use the matter stored in the containment system, align the matter patterns correctly and then materialize her in flesh and blood. The matter was stored in containment cylinders attached to the shiva laser..
It's sort of like a Replicator and transporter combination.
Clu was ignorant of how the real world works, and pretty much ignorant about the digitization & materialization system.
While he may of materialized in the real world (basically as a clone of Flynn), his ships and all his Programs wouldn't of made it out (Clu only THOUGHT they would), there is *not enough matter* in the contaiment system and *not enough power* to do it either.
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Posts: 34 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 8:58 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:The digitization/re-materialization system using Flynn's uploaded master key, was able to extrapolate from Quorra's complex digital DNA (which contained genetic algorythms), use the matter stored in the containment system, align the matter patterns correctly and then materialize her in flesh and blood. The matter was stored in containment cylinders attached to the shiva laser..
It's sort of like a Replicator and transporter combination.
Clu was ignorant of how the real world works, and pretty much ignorant about the digitization & materialization system.
While he may of materialized in the real world (basically as a clone of Flynn), his ships and all his Programs wouldn't of made it out (Clu only THOUGHT they would), there is *not enough matter* in the contaiment system and *not enough power* to do it either.
If Clu made it out he could pose as Flynn and probably adjust his plans to pursue his ideal of "making a perfect system" in the real world in other ways... |
And even if the ship would have made it out it would not have worked either as the laws of physics on both worlds do operate a bit differently. The Rectifier ship would be nothing more than an oversized Brick in the real world and would as much on it;s own as such too. Hence my suggestion that if Clu or any other program where to get out to try to conquer the world a la Pinky and the Brain they would probably resort to Blimps or Airships instead.
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Posts: 339 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 9:50 PM
My theory is that the ISOs came into being on Flynn's Grid because of constant interactions between a real world user and digital beings. The energy flow from Kevin Flynn himself on the Grid sort of caused regular data to mix with human DNA patterns to create this new life form. I doubt it could happen on any regular computer, but if enough energy from a user is introduced, then I think it would be more possible.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
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Posts: 1,025 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Monday, January, 10, 2011 11:31 PM
Genome852 Wrote:Ridley Wrote:Also, on a related note, what's Quorra made out of? Sam bled when Rinzler cut his arm, so he was still flesh and blood in the Grid, but does that mean that if Quorra's, say, shot in the leg, she'd partially Derezz? |
I've read that Quorra was composed of the molecules of Kevin Flynn that were still held within the laser, so I'd assume she'd bleed if shot. However, does she even function like a human? Do programs / ISOs have organs like humans, even digitally? |
See, that is how I believe they came into being. The interaction of FLYNN years ago somehow became a catalyst for their creation. Perhaps it was the decoding of his DNA by the laser when he was digitized. In Flynn's defense it would be just like him to overlook this possibility with all the things he had going on.
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Tuesday, January, 11, 2011 1:32 AM
Flynn incorperated genetic algorythms into The Grid to allow the system to have the capacity to evolve and grow. The Sea of Simulation was the ultimate expression of this.
The Isos manifested from the Sea of Simulation, which was in-a-sense, a kind of digital "primordial ooze" and not just a simulated "ocean".
I am sure that those genetic algorythms and Flynn's presense and possibly his act of "cloning" himself in his creation of Clu were influencial elements to the have the conditions that lead to the Iso's manifesting.
( correction: The Sea stopped spawning Iso's when Clu introduced a viral compound into it {most likely a some code fragments he re-purposed} how long the alteration to the Sea of Simulation is unknown. )
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Tuesday, January, 11, 2011 2:08 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:later that viral element coalesced and manifested as Abraxas; see Tron:Evolutuon. |
Wrong.
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Posts: 13 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Tuesday, January, 11, 2011 3:43 PM
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Tuesday, January, 11, 2011 4:32 PM
Corrected my post.
So I wonder do the events of T:E take place shortly after Clu secretly introduced the viral compound into the Sea of Simulation or after the situation with Abraxas?
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Posts: 51 | RE: Questions/Ideas on ISO's on Wednesday, January, 19, 2011 11:05 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Flynn incorperated genetic algorythms into The Grid to allow the system to have the capacity to evolve and grow. The Sea of Simulation was the ultimate expression of this.
The Isos manifested from the Sea of Simulation, which was in-a-sense, a kind of digital "primordial ooze" and not just a simulated "ocean".
I am sure that those genetic algorythms and Flynn's presense and possibly his act of "cloning" himself in his creation of Clu were influencial elements to the have the conditions that lead to the Iso's manifesting.
( correction: The Sea stopped spawning Iso's when Clu introduced a viral compound into it {most likely a some code fragments he re-purposed} how long the alteration to the Sea of Simulation is unknown. ) |
Oooo, I'd forgotten about Flynn adding genetic algorithms in like he did. Great points about the Sea of Simulation. Darn C.L.U screwing it up. The fact that he's gone now, or rather, reintegrated with Flynn and things seem to be reset. Plus, Tron rebooting/reverting back to his original self in the Sea. Could be sign. Along with Flynn's essence or whatever he is now, and Quorra's disc was left in there ( It was interesting to me, that C.L.U could have destroyed Quorra's disc at the end but instead, just throws it next to Flynn.) leaves open a lot of possibilities. If ISO's maybe couldn't crop up in other servers, it does seem as if there's a chance they might be be able to re-emerge again in The Grid. Given the way Legacy ended.
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