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Very cool interview. It clears up a lot of things I was curious about. It was still a bit unclear about the amount of time the portal is open, but what I got from it is that 8 real world hours is equal to 1 microcycle in the digital world. The only thing that's not clear is how long a microcycle feels in the computer, but it looks like they sorta deliberately left that unclear. As long as I know that it's 8 hours in the real world though, I know it's a real long while in the computer, and that Flynn would have had plenty of time to go in and work before leaving, etc.

Still, I wouldn't have built it in such a dangerous way, or at least I'd have let Alan know about it. That's what the pager was for I suppose, but it was not a foolproof plan...obviously

Tron Unit Wrote:Wow that is the lamest cop-out I have ever seen! Didn't these guys take physics 101? Bah! I call B.S.

I'm not sure what more you would want. Do you need to see the equations and equipment diagrams? Obviously it doesn't totally fit in with real world physics, but neither does a huge percentage of sci-fi stories. This really fits in the same type of category as Star Wars, more Sci-fi fantasy than straight up hard SF. That goes for both movies, not just Legacy.

I can understand if their answer is not satisfying for you, but to call their responses lame cop-outs and B.S. is being too harsh, and kind of mean (yes, yes, I know. "It's the Internet". But it is what we make of it).

Tron Unit Wrote:Well, did you guys have to spend any time figuring out how a computer program could physically materialize? Horowitz: We did. We did talk about the idea of what is being reconstituted. There is stuff that you can see in the frame, carbon molecules that are attached to the laser, that are what you are being transferred into and then how that's being turned into energy and then it's a data. And then the question becomes, how is that reverse process working? And in our mind, there was a logic to how on the one hand you can take a corporeal being and turn them into this kind of data, and then we can have a reversal process by taking the data then and say, okay, can't we then reconstitute that into some form of man? Kitsis: And what we decided was, well yes, but it has to merge with the user, in the sense that the only way to get out is with a user disc - and therefore not even Sam's, but the Creator's disc. So to some extent, it's like Quorra kind of literally uses his matter to become herself. Horowitz: Well, what we don't want to be saying is that she's Kevin Flynn. And she's not. But that there was a one-for-one trade that essentially happened. Wow that is the lamest cop-out I have ever seen! Didn't these guys take physics 101? Bah! I call B.S.

Wait how is that a cop out? Kevin Flynn had more mass than Quorra. So wouldn't there be enough matter for Quorra and then some? Sorry if i'm mistaken i'm only on my 2nd semester of conceptual physics.

cirlin Wrote:The only thing that's not clear is how long a microcycle feels in the computer, but it looks like they sorta deliberately left that unclear.

Cirlin, I actually got the opposite impression on this. It seems to me that a "cycle" in a computer would be a very short amount of time and therefore a microcycle would take even less time to pass (in the real world). But then I thought Kevin was describing to Sam how long that microcycle would feel to him as it passed on the gird (like 8 hours).

Here's why... In the movie, it is mentioned that keeping the portal open requires a significant amount of energy. It's also mentioned that when Kevin went on the grid to do his work, his family barely noticed he was gone. So, if activating the laser to get inside the system was the opening of the portal, and it only took a few seconds to transfer Sam or Kevin to the grid (as depicted in the original movie or even less in T:L), then it would seem reasonable that the laser would begin shutting down very quickly in the real world (perhaps a few more seconds later) but that those few seconds in the real world would feel like 8 hours on the grid.

Of course, I have only seen T:L once but I am going again tomorrow and will think on it some more.

TronBon Wrote: cirlin Wrote:The only thing that's not clear is how long a microcycle feels in the computer, but it looks like they sorta deliberately left that unclear. Cirlin, I actually got the opposite impression on this. It seems to me that a "cycle" in a computer would be a very short amount of time and therefore a microcycle would take even less time to pass (in the real world). But then I thought Kevin was describing to Sam how long that microcycle would feel to him as it passed on the gird (like 8 hours). Here's why... In the movie, it is mentioned that keeping the portal open requires a significant amount of energy. It's also mentioned that when Kevin went on the grid to do his work, his family barely noticed he was gone. So, if activating the laser to get inside the system was the opening of the portal, and it only took a few seconds to transfer Sam or Kevin to the grid (as depicted in the original movie or even less in T:L), then it would seem reasonable that the laser would begin shutting down very quickly in the real world (perhaps a few more seconds later) but that those few seconds in the real world would feel like 8 hours on the grid. Of course, I have only seen T:L once but I am going again tomorrow and will think on it some more.

That's the other interpretation, but it is one I have a real problem with (a few problems actually). For one thing, eight hours is a really short time to get any work done in the Grid, especially if he has to travel a really long way to get to the exit portal. It seems like a dangerously short amount of time and feels very implausible that he would design it that way. I could imagine him getting maybe 5 hours of work out of every trip simply because of travel times. If I was going to be trapped forever if I didn't make it to a location on time, I'd sure as heck get there early!

Another thing is that if it was only 8 hours, When Flynn suggested they go to sleep for the night, that would basically mean giving up on any chance of getting Sam home. I have a hard time believing that either of them would totally give up that quickly. It had more of a "we'll talk about it in the morning" feel than a "sorry, it's too late, you're stuck here forever" feel.

A third reason it wouldn't work for me is that forcing the movie's story to take place in less than 8 hours really makes it feel small. Without a time limit I can interpret the events as taking 1.5-3 days giving the illusion of Sam was able to spend some signifigant time there.

BigbadMCP Wrote:The writers' explanation of how Quorra was able to materialize (i.e., using Flynn's original mass that was presumably suspended somewhere all of this time) does make for some chilling opportunities that Clu may have been considering. Think about it: how would Clu be able to get his army into the real world? He would need to have a 1:1 exchange for each soldier. So presumably, he would escape first, and find his first victim. Zap that victim into the grid, and use his matter to bring out one of his top henchmen (presumably Rinzler). Then they'd do it again, and then again, so it would be an exponential increase in the size of his real world army, while slowly but surely decimating the human population. (Presumably, Clu would have been able to find other portals, so that they wouldn't have to keep using Flynn's old office.)

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