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Very funny.

One of my issues: How did Clu and his men get to Flynn's place?

DaveTRON Wrote: One of my issues: How did Clu and his men get to Flynn's place?

Sam took the Flynn's white bike, CLU and his men traced it to "its point of origin" as said in the movie


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I think the spheres weren't really controlling RINZLER, rather that was kind of a macguffin sort of. CLU had some sort of mind control exerted whenever he wanted to, it just so happened that he was using the balls at the same time as he was exerting his influence.


The food is no biggie to me, in the first water was energy, but again this is a different grid, so things might be a bit different. Kevin Flynn is a human inside of a computer, obviously he doesn't NEED to eat in there, but apparently he does need to recharge his digital self every now and then, so why not make the energy items into food/drink avatars? Makes sense to me.

At the same time, the "night club" is a representation of leisure time - programs designed to replicate human behavior would need to have down time as well. For that matter seemed to me that rudimentary emotions are present as well, so conceivably not only would they use intoxicants, but they would have sex as well. Too bad they didn't explore THAT aspect.

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CB2001 Wrote: DaveTRON Wrote:Very funny. One of my issues: How did Clu and his men get to Flynn's place? Due to Sam taking Flynn's Lightcycle, a few of CLU's men found the Lightcycle and traced it's point of origin (as stated in the film). They traced it back to Flynn's house, sometime after Quorra and Flynn left to follow Sam, which they used the Light Runner. CLU and co. used their aerial transport to get to it.

I think Dave is referring to the practical aspect of how they got to Kevin's. It was explained that programs can't travel in the outlands (on the TRON Disney site, I recall something to the effect that programs can't get power off the grid, or maybe I inferred that), so no program could ever travel into the outlands to get him. Quorra, as an Iso, and the light runner, were by their nature different and not subject to the same rules, I reckon. If all it took was flying (rather than using a tank, cycle, car), CLU could have re-purposed the entirety of the city, put them in light jets and had them searching "day and night" for the hideout. If all CLU ever needed was Kevin's disc, he had eternity to find it. The outlands are vast, but not infinite.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

i86time Wrote: CB2001 Wrote: DaveTRON Wrote:Very funny. One of my issues: How did Clu and his men get to Flynn's place? Due to Sam taking Flynn's Lightcycle, a few of CLU's men found the Lightcycle and traced it's point of origin (as stated in the film). They traced it back to Flynn's house, sometime after Quorra and Flynn left to follow Sam, which they used the Light Runner. CLU and co. used their aerial transport to get to it. I think Dave is referring to the practical aspect of how they got to Kevin's. It was explained that programs can't travel in the outlands (on the TRON Disney site, I recall something to the effect that programs can't get power off the grid, or maybe I inferred that), so no program could ever travel into the outlands to get him. Quorra, as an Iso, and the light runner, were by their nature different and not subject to the same rules, I reckon. If all it took was flying (rather than using a tank, cycle, car), CLU could have re-purposed the entirety of the city, put them in light jets and had them searching "day and night" for the hideout. If all CLU ever needed was Kevin's disc, he had eternity to find it. The outlands are vast, but not infinite.

If that's the case, it's much easier to understand. The Light Runner was modified to be able to run on the terran of the outlands. Basically, what Quorra was talking about was strictly for smaller, land-based vehicles. She never said anything about air-based vehicles, only land-based.

Besides, if Clu used flying vehicles day and night, they still wouldn't have found Flynn's place. If you recall when the Light Runner came up to the location, you couldn't even spot it in the rockface. And since Flynn is a master coder, he could very well have hacked the surface of the Outland to allow for him to hide his hideout (Flynn's smart enough to know that CLU would look for him). So, he could have had Recognizers and light jets patrolling 24/7 until the day Flynn died, and they still wouldn't have found it. Thanks to Sam taking Flynn's Lightcycle, it gave them a instructions on where to look for it it. It's only when they discovered the entrance to the tunnel to the location did they know for certain they found it. It's not THAT hard to figure out, is it?

i86time Wrote: CB2001 Wrote: i86time Wrote: CB2001 Wrote: DaveTRON Wrote:Very funny. One of my issues: How did Clu and his men get to Flynn's place? Due to Sam taking Flynn's Lightcycle, a few of CLU's men found the Lightcycle and traced it's point of origin (as stated in the film). They traced it back to Flynn's house, sometime after Quorra and Flynn left to follow Sam, which they used the Light Runner. CLU and co. used their aerial transport to get to it. I think Dave is referring to the practical aspect of how they got to Kevin's. It was explained that programs can't travel in the outlands (on the TRON Disney site, I recall something to the effect that programs can't get power off the grid, or maybe I inferred that), so no program could ever travel into the outlands to get him. Quorra, as an Iso, and the light runner, were by their nature different and not subject to the same rules, I reckon. If all it took was flying (rather than using a tank, cycle, car), CLU could have re-purposed the entirety of the city, put them in light jets and had them searching "day and night" for the hideout. If all CLU ever needed was Kevin's disc, he had eternity to find it. The outlands are vast, but not infinite. If that's the case, it's much easier to understand. The Light Runner was modified to be able to run on the terran of the outlands. Basically, what Quorra was talking about was strictly for smaller, land-based vehicles. She never said anything about air-based vehicles, only land-based. Besides, if Clu used flying vehicles day and night, they still wouldn't have found Flynn's place. If you recall when the Light Runner came up to the location, you couldn't even spot it in the rockface. And since Flynn is a master coder, he could very well have hacked the surface of the Outland to allow for him to hide his hideout (Flynn's smart enough to know that CLU would look for him). So, he could have had Recognizers and light jets patrolling 24/7 until the day Flynn died, and they still wouldn't have found it. Thanks to Sam taking Flynn's Lightcycle, it gave them a instructions on where to look for it it. It's only when they discovered the entrance to the tunnel to the location did they know for certain they found it. It's not THAT hard to figure out, is it? While Dave's (and my) questioning of this plot point may be trivial, without starting yet another pointless internet discussion.... your interpretation of Kevin's abilities seems a bit far fetched. If I granted you that Kevin could program anything (except of course, the portal to open so he could go home) that makes even less sense in terms of anything that happened in the movie. If he could do anything, he could: 1. Spoof his identity, infiltrate the city and become the kind of character that Zuse was supposed to be. Using an underground resistance, form an army that could rival CLU's and eventaully take over the city. Rebuild the city to how he envisioned, call Sam or Alan to the arcade, have them open the portal, go home. The end. 2. Spoof his identity, infiltrate CLU's ranks, become like the Jarvis character, gain his trust and either destroy or recode/restore him to Kevin's original ideal for him. Rebuild the city... (see above)... the end. Not that either of these options would make a better film, there's an infinite number of plots that could occur if Kevin was able to do anything in that universe. Given your premise that he could code anything, the events in the film we saw likely would not occur. It's precisely because he CAN'T do just anything that there's room for conflict.

You're kidding, right? Flynn being able to hide his home from the naked eye isn't possible in the Grid? Kevin Flynn is a hacker. And he's a genius, not to mention the fact that he's the creator of the Grid in the film. He's practically a God. He created Clu, and he created several other programs AND he built the world of the Grid inside and out. How is it farfetched that he could hid his home from view? It's honestly no different than a game programmer programming a hidden room that only he knows about, filled with all sort of goodies. Trust me, him creating the home and then hacking the Outlands to hide isn't at all farfetched. If he can created CLU, if he can create most of the Grid, then he can easily create a home for himself and hide it. For all we know, he could have programmed that home during the earlier years of the Grid and did it from the outside (especially since he designed the Grid both inside and out. and he knew that the programs wouldn't be able to navigate the Outlands (which is part of the reason why he put the portal so far away from the main grid).

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The world of "The Grid" is a microcosmic, digital, alternate reality, preliminaily created by Flynn; its made up of code, program routines, and energy. Everything is an abstract digital construct made up of lines of code and energy, flowing electrons, ions, photons and sub-atomic particles.
Flynn could incoperate all manner of special algorythms and routines he wanted to make the simulations and emulations of things winthin The Grid seem fairly real, with "weather" etc...

The time displacment is an effect how much the faster the processing cycles of computer chips are than the ordinary passage of real time.

The "outlands" are the tessalations of basic digital code contructs, where The Grid with it's unique coding, digitally formed the tessalated rock formations (still it's all code contructs). The Grid was allowed to be both isomorphic and transcient)affecting something or producing results beyond itself) with the ability to evolve as interacted upon by Flynn, Clu and interacted upon by the Programs within the system.

The sea of simulation is the ultimate expression of the "evolution"/transcient aspect of "The Grid" as the Iso's manifested and emerged from the Sea of Simulation.

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