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peppymiint
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SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:22 AM
along with post discussion, there are spoilers!
read at your own risk!

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hi everyone! i'm new to this forum, so i'm not sure if this is the right spot to put it > u


 
jonwes
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RE: WAIT, NO WAY RINZLER/TRON IS DEAD.

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:40 AM
You might want to edit your thread title as it itself is a spoiler!

But I agree with you. I don't think he's dead either.


Discuss it on tron-sector.com here.
 
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RE: WAIT, NO WAY RINZLER/TRON IS DEAD.

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:49 AM
They don't drink water, it's a power source. Since the physics and physiology were never demonstrated to show whether there are actually lungs taking in air for speech and panting after exertion, let alone feeding a arguably non-existent bloodstream, or if it's all just simulation, TRON is conceivably still alive. If the Sea of Simulation is made up of the same liquid power, then he should be fine.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill


 
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RE: WAIT, NO WAY RINZLER/TRON IS DEAD.

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:49 AM
That SD card at the end.

That is all.


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typicaltronname
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RE: WAIT, NO WAY RINZLER/TRON IS DEAD.

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:50 AM
You are correct, programs do drink it. But, Tron fell into the Sea of Simulation, which may or may not be the same water that programs drink.

Along with you, I am sure Tron survived. No reason for the movie makers to have him change his colors from Orange to Blue and then kill him off.

Along with the previous poster, you should consider editing the title, many have not seen the movie and merely reading it *could* dissuade others

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peppymiint
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:13 AM
thanks everyone for telling my the title of the thread is a spoiler
i didn't realize it until after i came back. sorry if i did spoil it for you.

@TRON.dll it could be possible! :0 but then again, couldn't it be his father or the entire tron video game program? since he can 'change the world' with either of them.




 
ShadowDragon1
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:15 AM
there isn't oxygen in The Grid, Programs don't breath air, The Grid is all digital code, things are constructs of code, pathways of energy, code, and structured data, and
sub-atomic particles withina microcosmic digital realm.

What the Programs all "drink" is "liquid" energy "water", but it's not the same as the "water" of the Sea of Simulation in my view.
The Sea of Simulation is the digital "primordial soup" that the Iso's developed and emerged from. Read Tron Betrayal and if you can find it on Youtube, watch all the cinema sequences from the game "Tron: Evolution" to learn more about the Isos and what happened to the Sea of Simulation and what happened with Clu.

I am 99.9% certain Tron IS alive....

"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski

 
typicaltronname
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:17 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:there isn't oxygen in The Grid, Programs don't breath air, The Grid is all digital code, things are constructs of code, pathways of and structured data, and sub-atomic particles withing a microcosmic digital realm.

What the Programs all "drink" is "liquid" energy "water", but it's not the same as the "water" of the Sea of Simulation in my view.
The Sea of Simulation is the digital "primordial soup" that the Iso's developed and emerged from.

I am 99.9% certain Tron IS alive....

YOu bring up a valid point, but how do you suppose that Kevin and Sam Flynn survived in the grid, as they are both humans.


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typicaltronname
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:18 AM
typicaltronname Wrote:
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:there isn't oxygen in The Grid, Programs don't breath air, The Grid is all digital code, things are constructs of code, pathways of and structured data, and sub-atomic particles withing a microcosmic digital realm.

What the Programs all "drink" is "liquid" energy "water", but it's not the same as the "water" of the Sea of Simulation in my view.
The Sea of Simulation is the digital "primordial soup" that the Iso's developed and emerged from.

I am 99.9% certain Tron IS alive....

You bring up a valid point, but how do you suppose that Kevin and Sam Flynn survived in the grid, as they are both humans.

I'm not getting on your case or anything, I just wanted to see your opinion. I apologize if it seemed that way


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peppymiint
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:20 AM
typicaltronname Wrote:
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:there isn't oxygen in The Grid, Programs don't breath air, The Grid is all digital code, things are constructs of code, pathways of and structured data, and sub-atomic particles withing a microcosmic digital realm.

What the Programs all "drink" is "liquid" energy "water", but it's not the same as the "water" of the Sea of Simulation in my view.
The Sea of Simulation is the digital "primordial soup" that the Iso's developed and emerged from.

I am 99.9% certain Tron IS alive....

YOu bring up a valid point, but how do you suppose that Kevin and Sam Flynn survived in the grid, as they are both humans.

i was wondering that too!
maybe eating was "created" by kevin because it was sort of a human "tradition", and it would be weird if you were stuck for over 20 years in a video game without eating when you're used to eating... he is the "god" anyways.



 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:24 AM
The system translates/converts Kevin and Sam into code constructs when they are digitized by the digitization laser system. Not exactly Programs, but similar.

Canisters filled with of organic molecules (h20, carbon, etc) are contained/retained in canisters attached to the Shiva 2 digitizing laser, so they can later be re-materialized as humans in the real world.

"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski

 
Logansneo
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:39 AM
Yeah, I felt that showing TRON's colors change back to blue/white was clearly indicative of the producers looking forward to a 3rd film with the title character in it. I found it interesting when we realized Rinzler is TRON when Flynn states it (I was pretty sure it was him based on the original press release photos of CLU and his henchmen that were shown earlier this year because his character had the ONLY direct stylistic carryover from the original TRON, the three squares aligned horizontally above a centralized single square on his chest) many seemed disappointed that the filmmakers didn't allow Bruce Boxleitner to reprise the role other than in somewhat blurred flashback sequences, which gave me chills by the way! I felt that the audience was given a clear indication Rinzler was TRON when in the flashback TRON picks up a second disc while protecting Flynn, fights CLU's minions off in the same way Rinzler fights, and essentially sacrifices himself for Flynn, another reference to the original film where Flynn threw himself into the MCP data stream to save TRON and YORI. TRON then sacrifices himself again with a clearer reference to the first film with his statement "I fight for the Users" and that brought it around full circle for me. This movie has so much heart it's ridiculous, and just as absurd that so many critics can't see it at all.

So, yeah, I'm sure TRON will make a big comeback in TRON 3, and so will Ed Dillinger Jr., one of the open threads that Legacy left dangling, teasing us about what he might be doing in ENCOM and with Sam returning to power I will be intrigued to see if they decide to re-introduce a new MCP in the next film and if Sam uploads the Grid into ENCOM's mainframe.....order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill


 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 3:14 AM
Tron was "rectified" i.e. repurposed by Clu (think of it as digital "brainwashing") after defeating and capturing him, he wasn't exactly "corrupted" per se.

There's a flashback scene where Clu shows up with some of his Black Guard and they attack Flynn and Tron. Tron fights of one of the Black Gaurd taking It's disc, he looks down and then goes into a fighting pose with a disc in each hand and then kicks the butts of the black guard....

Clu didn't want the Programs or Flynn to know that Tron was alive, so he gave him the name "Rinzler".

If the Programs saw that Tron has drastically changed, there would be suspision placed on Clu I think, since it's known that Tron "fights for the Users". Many "anti-User" Programs would want Tron elimated, others would use Tron's alteration as another reason to unite together all the factions (that still felt the Users to be good) to fight Clu. I'm sure Clu wouldn't want that.

"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski

 
Logansneo
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 3:49 AM
Yes. CLU had already seemingly won over the "general" masses as it were by blaming anything that was wrong with the system on Flynn, and that CLU was eradicating anything that wasn't perfect from the system, just as Flynn had programmed him to do. By exposing Rinzler as TRON, CLU would be exposing his methods early on for perfecting the system, which is to erase any program that stands in his way or have them destroyed on the game grid.


 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 7:32 AM
Having seen the second film for a second time, I kept wondering about that mechanical burbling noise Rinzler emits throughout.

During the flashback when Clu betrays Kevin Flynn, we never actually see Tron die. In fact, it seems to me Clu brings his disc down on Tron's forehead.

I theorize that Clu doesn't kill Tron, he lobotomizes him -- carves out part of Tron's logic circuits, much in the same way Sark had his logic circuits carved open in the first film. It didn't kill Sark, he was still able to fight, albeit as the MCP's sock puppet.

I think Tron became a puppet in the same way -- robbed of his higher logic, he is reduced to simply a fighting machine who takes orders.

Hence Rinzler never has his helmet retract, because the helmet may be the only thing keeping his head in one piece? That warbling-burbling may be a result of short-circuiting or something else left over from the lobotmization. Thankfully for Sam, Tron retains enough of his original self that Tron, as Rinzler, can never bring himself to derez a user.

As to whether Tron-Rinzler drowns in the Sea of Simulation... Very good question. One we'll obviously have to wait and see if TR3N answers?


 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 8:34 AM
Tron may have a digital "scar" on his face, but I do think the rectification (repurposing)process may of resulted in giving Rinzler/Tron the raptor/dragon like growl and gurgling.

Once he was exposed to Flynn's presense, looking directly at Flynn, that glitched the rectification and Rinzler started to remember that he is Tron..

A moment later you hear Rinzler/Tron clearly say " I.. fight for the Users! " in good ol' Tron's voice.

I think that the reason Rinzler never retracts his helment is either due to alot of damage to his face, or that Clu commanded him to never retract his helmet.

maybe the Sea of Simulation will have a healing effect on him?

"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski

 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 11:57 AM
Sub-Odeon Wrote:Hence Rinzler never has his helmet retract, because the helmet may be the only thing keeping his head in one piece? That warbling-burbling may be a result of short-circuiting or something else left over from the lobotmization..

i actually thought the purring sound made by rinzler was pretty cool, because it reminded me of the buzzing noise old computers make they were on. but i kinda did expect something like that, sadly...

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:The system translates/converts Kevin and Sam into code constructs when they are digitized by the digitization laser system. Not exactly Programs, but similar.

Canisters filled with of organic molecules (h20, carbon, etc) are contained/retained in canisters attached to the Shiva 2 digitizing laser, so they can later be re-materialized as humans in the real world.

but what about quorra? she was never a human, so she wouldn't have the organic compounds to even turn to one.


 
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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 1:51 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: Tron may have a digital "scar" on his face, but I do think the rectification (repurposing)process may of resulted in giving Rinzler/Tron the raptor/dragon like growl and gurgling.

Once he was exposed to Flynn's presense, looking directly at Flynn, that glitched the rectification and Rinzler started to remember that he is Tron..

A moment later you hear Rinzler/Tron clearly say " I.. fight for the Users! " in good ol' Tron's voice.

I think that the reason Rinzler never retracts his helment is either due to alot of damage to his face, or that Clu commanded him to never retract his helmet.

maybe the Sea of Simulation will have a healing effect on him?

Tron may still have died - just redeemed himself from the rectification prior to his demise.
They still might have Kevin Flynn come back - despite the blast from the reunification process, he still might have survived it. The soundtrack has a track called Flynn Lives on track 20, so I'm not sure what the intended purpose of the name of track was.

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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:11 PM
CH Wrote:The soundtrack has a track called Flynn Lives on track 20, so I'm not sure what the intended purpose of the name of track was.

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RE: SPOILERS! - - fate of rinzler?

on Wednesday, December, 22, 2010 2:32 PM
Hi! I'm new here, so this is pretty much my first post.



As for the Flynn Lives thing, I think that means that his legacy is still alive. Not the man himself.

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