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Tr2ff
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Okay, this is starting to bother me some...

on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 3:36 PM
Yes, I'm excited about the movie, yes I'm going to see it opening day, but something has started bugging me about the movie I hope I'm wrong.

But it's starting to look like the events in the original "Tron" don't exist.

The reasons I'm thinking this are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ay_H0p2YDk&feature=channel Kevin Flynn states "I kept dreaming. Dreaming of this world I thought I'd never see." Shouldn't he have said "...again." at the end? Okay, I'll accept he's keeping it a secret that maybe he's never going to tell anyone he's been inside a computer or they'd lock him up. Even if he told his son, Sam, Sam might go around bragging about it.

Then I came across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGuLVB72ohg&feature=player_embeddedIn the Daft Punk sampler, track 2 at about 0:30 into this Kevin again says "I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see." (Different than the trailer's line so I'm guessing he states this again somewhere)

Again, no "...again." at the end of this, acknowledging he's been there before. Then a second line of "...and then, one day, I got in." When I would think he would say "...I got back in." Or something similar.

I'm just a bit concerned while this is technically a sequel to Tron, no one will mention anything that happened in the first movie, as if it never existed.

And to add to my conspiracy theory of this, Disney's withholding releasing the DVD of the original Tron. Apparently no one can find a copy anywhere. Disney isn't showing Tron on any of their channels to promote this or anything.

What gives? (Granted, I'll admit I'm probably looking WAY too deep into these assumptions) but I would think they would say something about the original, to continue the story, instead of ignoring anything that happened 30 years ago within the MCP. Some kind of reference that Keving got sucked into this world, and because of it, is what caused him to devote his time and effort to get BACK there.

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on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 4:24 PM
That line is a mid 30's Kevin Flynn talking to his son Sam as a small boy.
He is in part, refering to his experience of entering the digital world in 1982, that he had dreamed of such a place before hand, and then experieced it once he got digitized and went inside the Encom 511, then he re-made a new digital world.. "The Grid" which he envisioned and created and again found a way to digitized himself into. If you read the comic/graphic novel that much is apparrent.

The Flynn Lives campaign has many many references to the original film, and in Tron Legacy there are many scenes and visual elements are are huge homages and reference to the original film Tron (1982).

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on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 4:27 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: That line is a mid 30's Kevin Flynn talking to his son Sam as a small boy.
He is in part, refering to his experience of entering the digital world in 1982, that he had dreamed of such a place before hand, and then experieced it once he got digitized and went inside the Encom 511, then he re-made a new digital world.. "The Grid" which he envisioned and created and again found a way to digitized himself into. If you read the comic/graphic novel that much is apparrent.

The Flynn Lives campaign has many many references to the original film, and in Tron Legacy there are many scenes and visual elements are are huge homages and reference to the original film Tron (1982).
excellent way of breaking it down.

also, to confirm that they aren't trying to disregard the original TRON, steven lisberger is on board fort his film and then even mentioned how this is indeed a sequel..and to bridge the gap they have the TRON Betrayal comic, and the game Tron Evolution


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on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 4:34 PM
Um, couldn't Kevin be in fact referring to his original entry from 1982? We all keep thinking that because the "World I Thought I'd Never See" speech is clearly "post-TRON" in situation, it must be referring to Flynn's adventures post-TRON as well. This, I think, is something of a fallacy. We have no real evidence from the film to suggest that Kevin wasn't already dreaming of such concepts as "clusters of information as they move through the computer" before the events of "TRON". But let us consider what we do know.

It is mentioned several times that Kevin Flynn is a programming genius. The back-story for his character currently reveals he interned at Encom back when Walter Gibbs just started taking it outside of his garage. He seems to have always been fascinated with the computers he used, and if he really is a genius, it is no stretch of the imagination to assume in his idler moments, sometime during those late nights of writing "Space Paranoids" and "Vice Squad", that he wondered what exactly it was he was creating. I mean, if in the real world it could occur to Steven Lisberger, it could happen to fictitious Flynn.

Then there is the speech itself. Flynn begins by describing the Grid, his creation. One might assume that what he says afterward must be referring explicitly to the Grid. But I posit that his perspective switches suddenly to describe how the Grid came to be inspired. Hence the, "I tried to imagine clusters of information..." line. Obviously, this fantasy intrigued him enough that he indeed kept "dreaming of a world [he] thought [he'd] never see." But when you get accused of corporate espionage and fired, reduced to running an arcade whilst desperately trying to hack back into the system, it doesn't leave much time for entertaining fanciful notions of life inside the computer. But boy oh boy, you bet how shocked he was to find out the truth that fateful night in the laser bay. Hence the surprise in the Speech's final line: "I got in."

That seems to be it. One however can logically assume he would continue to describe what he saw in the TRON world, his return, and his work upon creating a digital utopia of his own, the marvelous Grid.

So don't get too scared, my friend. I don't think Disney is shoving our old favorite under the rug that ties the room together. What you CAN blame Disney for, however, is not being more explicit about this. They could do more to explain this, but I say wait until the movie itself premieres to pass judgment. on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online

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on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 4:39 PM
I like how in the graphic novel there was a brief re-cap of Tron (1989) at the beginning.

I also love when Tron (now in new system, The Grid) after a non-lethal game match says "Where I come from, these fights ended when one of us was derezzed..."

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on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 10:49 PM
The reason for different-sounding quotes in various trailers and compared to the movie (even differences from theatrical releases and home viewings) are that they are simply different takes by the actor edited in for whatever reason.

Anyway, Flynn's line isn't a hint at changes to the timeline or events of the first movie, but how he had ideas that he didn't think he would be able to build on and make tangible. Legacy's world isn't the same as what he experienced before, and is a separate microcosm, built to his own specifications, not the world ENCOM collectively built. It's also a line for us fans, pulled out if context to say this sequel's been a long time coming, a dream we didn't know we would see.


 
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on Monday, November, 29, 2010 1:45 PM
Fair enough. As I said, I hope I'm wrong and just looking too much into this

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on Thursday, December, 02, 2010 12:21 AM
Tr2ff Wrote:Fair enough. As I said, I hope I'm wrong and just looking too much into this

Hey Tr2ff:

Don't worry. From what I've read and seen,
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There are flashbacks from the old TRON and the time in-between TRON and TRON:LEGACY that clearly establish the TRON story
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on Thursday, December, 09, 2010 12:47 AM
I just heard Flynn's voice-over in the Daft Punk track shared at the UK premiere. He says, "I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see. And then, one day...I got in." So it sounds like he's referring to a time beginning before the original TRON.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
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on Thursday, December, 09, 2010 12:54 AM
I'd say he was thinking about The Grid, where Tron Legacy takes place. After spending almost a year designing this entire world/civilization, he kept dreaming of being able to see it. To be able to get in and see what he had spent all that time creating. He knew it was possible because of the events that happened to him in 1982.


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on Thursday, December, 09, 2010 1:16 AM
Tron, the original, is not an easy movie to digest during your first viewing. I doubt this one will be either. I remember when I saw it first (during two sessions of a computer programing class on VHS when I was 13), I had to immediately go rent it, watch it with my best friend and discuss the hell out of it. I was at an age when personal computers were beginning to enter the home sphere and regular people, like me, were actually programming things (our rendition at least) similar to light-bike and tank routines. The whole thing was just a blast. We also played ALOT of video arcade games (probably an unhealthy amount). Whether we were just players or amateur hobbyists creating our own versions, the "mind's eye" sees more than what was actually output on a screen. Some of us actually imagined ourselves riding in those vehicles engaging in these gladiatorial games (mouth sound effects included).

So basically Kevin imagined and dreamed what it would be like to actually be a person inside the sprite that was on the screen. In the movie, he got in. But for a lot of us this was just fuel for the imagination to help envision what it would be like to be in our own games. As the technology grew and gaming got better, we try harder and harder to create a perspective that puts us as immersed into the game as possible (the most recent being this game, notably, for attempting to add 3D and Move for the PS3 version). Virtual reality with goggles and feedback suits tried even harder. I have no doubt that one day we will be able to "plug in" to a computer like Gibson's being jacked into cyberspace (from the novel Neuromancer).

"Getting in" was a concept on the minds of real people even before the original movie came out. After its release, it galvanized this vision and through shaping the minds of future programmers and CG artists...Tron may well be one of the most technologically influential expressions of cyberspace of its time.


 
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