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Posts: 580 | Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 12:20 AM
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/11/ff_tron
It's five pages and I think it's very well written.
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Posts: 171 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 2:05 AM
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 9:59 AM
Some of that article's commentary is highly debatable, and there are factual errors as well.
Am I the only one getting tired of the "Tron in 1982 was a flop" meme being pushed by this and other articles that totally ignores that it made 33 mil when it only cost 17 mill. tgo make, and it's long term success with tie-in videogames, inspiring the further developement of CGI, inspired the forming of Pixar by John Lasseter, and had garnered many long time fans among the computer tech geeks for the past 28 years?
It' really lame that these "professional" journalists online put together these short fluff peices that treat the original Tron like it had no signifance at all. Or if they do breifly mention it had impact in many ways, they still spout "oh it floped". Why the FRAKK do they have always mention this?
It doesn't matter that it didn't acheive massive, mainstream success like E.T. in the short run, neither does it matter that it was forgotten my mainstream audiences at the time as the years went on. Blade Runner wasn't a massive box office blow out success either, and the critic bashed it too. But I NEVER seen any articles refering to Blade Runner as "a flop" when it was re-released to DVD... But now it's considered to be a great film by many Sci-fi film fans.
Those critics and mainstream audiences didn't *get* TRON or Blade Runner. massive number Tickets sales IMO do NOT mean a movie is a "good" or "great" movie. ( Just as massive high rating don't neccessarily equel a "great/good" tv show.... Like Dancing With the stars or American Idol get's super high ratings, but IMO those and most reality shows are *awful*)
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TRON did inadevertantly "predict" the future, but that wasn't it's only influence. It's annoying that WIRED seems to miss all the other ways it had an impact and influence. No, they just rather repeat the tired old flimsy meme "oh it floped".
Yes, Tron wasn't "perfect" or some super duper great literary work of film. But it was, and still IS an imaginative, mystical cyber-punk fairy tale movie and still very, very enjoyable.
It never was trying to be Casablanca or Pride and Prejudice or some great literary work. But I wish these journalists would do better research, and knock it off with the "oh it flopped" comments. Gimme a break!abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 10:18 AM
For the purposes of marketing the new film, Disney might actually want it that way. Otherwise wouldn't they actually LET people see the original before watching the new one?
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 11:04 AM
I highly doubt that.
Just as I highly doubt there's some conspiracy to "hide" the original TRON film, and I doubt Sean Bailey is "ok with" the "Tron was a flop" idea spouted by some in the media who've done poor research and just write some short fluff peice.
I think DaveTron knows some of the valid reason's why the Blu-Ray HD release of TRON has been delayed and it's not really that "Disney wants people to forget the original TRON". The reasons some have come up with for such a conspiracy are weak and speculative in my view.
I doubt Sean Bailey who, is now head of Entertainment production at Disney would just up and conspire to "sweep 1982 Tron under the rug" Like some claim... That's not the impression I get with all the interview footage and the footage with Steven Lisberger talking about the original TRON. I don't see him being censored or edited. If it seemed like he was pressured to not talk about the original Tron or mention the Blu Ray then maybe that'd be some evidence. But all I see is speculation and claims based on heresay.
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Posts: 416 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 5:31 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:
Those critics and mainstream audiences didn't *get* TRON or Blade Runner. massive number Tickets sales IMO do NOT mean a movie is a "good" or "great" movie. ( Just as massive high rating don't neccessarily equel a "great/good" tv show.... Like Dancing With the stars or American Idol get's super high ratings, but IMO those and most reality shows are *awful*)
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Posts: 606 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Wednesday, November, 24, 2010 5:39 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: I highly doubt that.
Just as I highly doubt there's some conspiracy to "hide" the original TRON film, and I doubt Sean Bailey is "ok with" the "Tron was a flop" idea spouted by some in the media who've done poor research and just write some short fluff peice.
I think DaveTron knows some of the valid reason's why the Blu-Ray HD release of TRON has been delayed and it's not really that "Disney wants people to forget the original TRON". The reasons some have come up with for such a conspiracy are weak and speculative in my view.
I doubt Sean Bailey who, is now head of Entertainment production at Disney would just up and conspire to "sweep 1982 Tron under the rug" Like some claim... That's not the impression I get with all the interview footage and the footage with Steven Lisberger talking about the original TRON. I don't see him being censored or edited. If it seemed like he was pressured to not talk about the original Tron or mention the Blu Ray then maybe that'd be some evidence. But all I see is speculation and claims based on heresay.
I don't think Disney would spend thousands of dollars on a HD re-mastering/clean up project on TRON if they just wanted to "sweep it under the rug", or allow HD channels on Cable to air it numerous times in the past year if they wanted to do that. |
I think Disney is trying to be prudent about it to let people focus on Tron: Legacy first, then release the Blu Ray/DVD version of the original afterwards. That way, people can be introduced to the original to prevent any pre-conceived notion that it'll be cheesy or pre-judging it from the commercials.
However, it would be smart if Disney were to air TRON (1982 version) as a television movie the night before and air the sequel's trailer after it ends. This way people won't be forced to buy the DVD. It's probably a wise thing to do.
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Posts: 593 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Friday, November, 26, 2010 12:51 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Some of that article's commentary is highly debatable, and there are factual errors as well.
Am I the only one getting tired of the "Tron in 1982 was a flop" meme being pushed by this and other articles that totally ignores that it made 33 mil when it only cost 17 mill. tgo make, and it's long term success with tie-in videogames, inspiring the further developement of CGI, inspired the forming of Pixar by John Lasseter, and had garnered many long time fans among the computer tech geeks for the past 28 years?
It' really lame that these "professional" journalists online put together these short fluff peices that treat the original Tron like it had no signifance at all. Or if they do breifly mention it had impact in many ways, they still spout "oh it floped". Why the FRAKK do they have always mention this?
It doesn't matter that it didn't acheive massive, mainstream success like E.T. in the short run, neither does it matter that it was forgotten my mainstream audiences at the time as the years went on. Blade Runner wasn't a massive box office blow out success either, and the critic bashed it too. But I NEVER seen any articles refering to Blade Runner as "a flop" when it was re-released to DVD... But now it's considered to be a great film by many Sci-fi film fans.
Those critics and mainstream audiences didn't *get* TRON or Blade Runner. massive number Tickets sales IMO do NOT mean a movie is a "good" or "great" movie. ( Just as massive high rating don't neccessarily equel a "great/good" tv show.... Like Dancing With the stars or American Idol get's super high ratings, but IMO those and most reality shows are *awful*)
Many good and even GREAT films have done lack luster at the box office but are actually really good movies (most recently "Moon", "Museum of Doctor Parnases").
Whereas some way over-blown films made millions at the box office but weren't that good (Transformers: Rise of the Fallen, the last american Godzilla movie, Paranormal Activity, The Clash of the Titans remake, Blair Witch... *barfs* )
Tron may not of made as much as E.T. or be as " well known"; but did E.T. inspire the creation of something like Pixar? No. Did E.T. Inspire computer tech engineers? No. Did E.T. breakground on showing the viabilty of CGI in SFX for movies and televison? No.
TRON did inadevertantly "predict" the future, but that wasn't it's only influence. It's annoying that WIRED seems to miss all the other ways it had an impact and influence. No, they just rather repeat the tired old flimsy meme "oh it floped".
Yes, Tron wasn't "perfect" or some super duper great literary work of film. But it was, and still IS an imaginative, mystical cyber-punk fairy tale movie and still very, very enjoyable.
It never was trying to be Casablanca or Pride and Prejudice or some great literary work. But I wish these journalists would do better research, and knock it off with the "oh it flopped" comments. Gimme a break! |
Shadow Dragon:
I'm with you 100%. Several times have I too, pointed this out at websites such as imdb.com, and some others. It also ticks me off when they don't even take the time to get the names of things in the TRON world right. I mean, if one was writing about Star Wars, one wouldn't call X-Wings space planes, or one wouldn't call light sabers light swords, would they ????? (Then again, I wouldn't put it past some journalists.They'd probably even refer to Chewbacca as a Dog, instead of a Wookie.)
You know, there used to be a time when journalists would actually make more of an effort to get their facts straight, and if they didn't, they'd publish a retraction stating that they made a mistake, along with printing the corrected information. Too many journalists today (including some online ones, as well) aren't even worth the bandwidth or paper they write on. . . . Fighting for TRON, The USERS, Both Flynns, Independents, and the mighty ISOs since '82. |
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Posts: 80 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Saturday, November, 27, 2010 6:45 PM
I think Disney is trying to be prudent about it to let people focus on Tron: Legacy first, then release the Blu Ray/DVD version of the original afterwards. That way, people can be introduced to the original to prevent any pre-conceived notion that it'll be cheesy or pre-judging it from the commercials.
However, it would be smart if Disney were to air TRON (1982 version) as a television movie the night before and air the sequel's trailer after it ends. This way people won't be forced to buy the DVD. It's probably a wise thing to do.
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That sounds like the most plausible theory. And who knows, *maybe* they're updating some graphics as well, like the way the original Star Trek series was remastered for Hi-Def and got updated graphics here and there.
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Posts: 331 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Saturday, November, 27, 2010 9:33 PM
I think that Disney just doesn't want people to see the original first, and blow it and Legacy off as some cheesy bizarre nerdy movie.
They want people to see the new one and get sucked in before seeing the old one.
Just my thought.
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Great article on Tron at Wired on Sunday, November, 28, 2010 1:24 AM
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