retrorandy User
Posts: 220 | TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 3:00 PM
Flynn disappeared in 1989 and his son Sam is beamed into the computer that he's hidden in his arcade since 1989.
Doesn't that mean the computing power/hardware for that world would be circa 1989? Since its been said that in TRON Legacy the computer is a closed environment/not networked it couldn't link into other computer systems/parallel compute?
That would mean all of the cool, advanced stuff that we're seeing in TRON Legacy has been computed/run on the most advanced Encom computer circa 1989?
Supercomputer in 1989, 10 GFLOPS, no graphic interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer
In the year 1989 the 486 came out & the Mac 030 was around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486http://www.old-computers.com/museum/year.asp?st=1&y=1989
Also, if the MCP was able to hack into other computer systems (communicate through phone/data networks) wouldn't another program in the computer system still have that ability? Perhaps I'll answer my own question in that if the server/computer is in the arcade and not physically hooked up to the outside world how could it network?
BUT another question comes to mind...how did Flynn or someone manage to get a message to Alan's pager if it's a closed server/network??? Wouldn't that require some data transfer to the outside world?
Asked the same question over at IMDB with a few interesting answers. Was just curious what the TRON Sector folks thought.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1104001/board/thread/173497421
From the original TRON script:
MCP
And I was planning to hit the Pentagon
next week...
DILLINGER
The Pentagon?
MCP
It shouldn't be any harder than General
Motors was. But now...this is what I get
for using humans.
DILLINGER
Now, wait a minute -- I wrote you.
MCP
I've gotten 2,415 times smarter since then.
DILLINGER
What do you want with the Pentagon?
MCP
The same thing I want with the Kremlin.
I'm bored with corporations. With the
information I can access, I can run things
900 to 1200 times better than any human.
DILLINGER
If you think -
MCP
You wouldn't want me to dig up Flynn's file
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cirlin User
Posts: 382 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 3:46 PM
Well the digital universe is not a literal representation of the technology which created it. The idea, as I see it anyway, is that the digital universe is a kind of gestalt of the computer hardware, software, electricity, quantum interactions, etc. It's as if putting together a computer and turning it on is a bit like creating a big bang, with a whole universe coming out of it.
So, you don't see literal circuit boards or computer chips in the world, and if you were to open your computer at home there aren't little people running around hurling discs at each other (though that is an amusing image
The first movie had very advanced looking vehicles and buildings, etc, even though it was even older, 1981-81 technology, so it stands to reason that 1989 will look more advanced than that.
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ChessMess User
Posts: 443 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 3:58 PM
That mainframe may very well have built in modems or a network link to Encom. Maybe when Clu trapped Flynn he shut down all access outside the Grid. It took a long time but Flynn finally managed to hack the modem ....
Thinking about it chances are they cut the phone lines at Flynns. So maybe the network connection, you could send an email to an address that would cause a pager to go off, maybe that is how he did it.
Chances are when Flynn didn't return they closed all of Flynns system accounts.
Clu's desires might not be the MCPs desires. The MCP wanted to become more powerful, Clu may just want to be without 'ownership', to be servant to none, to no 'user'.
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cirlin User
Posts: 382 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 4:09 PM
The first issue of Betrayal definitely gives some hints towards Clu's motivations, as well as how the page thing worked. I won't go into it too much in case of spoilers, but if you haven't read it I highly recomend it. Also the 2nd issue should be out tomorrow, so it will likely answer even more questions.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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Imbroglio User
Posts: 416 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 4:25 PM
I want to know how the Encom computer was also interfaced with the Light Cycle video game in Flynns arcade.
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RenegadeProgram User
Posts: 593 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:02 PM
Imbroglio Wrote:I want to know how the Encom computer was also interfaced with the Light Cycle video game in Flynns arcade.
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Imbroglio:
The more I think about the first TRON film, and especially in regards to Dillinger, I think that Dillinger was sneaky and unethical enough to stop at nothing in his quest to derail Kevin Flynn. There's a bit of dialogue in the scene where Flynn, Alan and Dr. Lora Baines are talking, and Flynn says something about how he only gets a dime of every quarter that the kids were putting in his arcade games and how Dillinger was reaping the rest of the profits. Mayb e Dillinger had a secret modem line connected to Flynn's without Kevin's knowledge, or maybe the MCP hacked into Flynn's in an effort to control the outcome of all the unlucky programs forced to do battle on the game grid.
I wonder what the court trial transcript read - it would be interesting to see all the charges that Dillinger was found guilty on and what his sentence would have been. I bet it would have been very interesting to say the least. Even though Kevin Flynn was self-employed with his arcade, I wonder if he got any unemployment benefits for unjust termination? I wonder what the specific charge was that Dilinger had against Flynn - insubordination? Conflict of interest?Hmmmm. . . . . .
In closing, there was something I was thinking last night:
*Why don't we see Dillinger communicating with Sark? I mean, didn't Dillinger program Sark as well as the MCP?
*Who was Sark's User? Even though Sark didn't believe in the Users who wrote Sark?
Wondering what you fellow programs think. Fighting for TRON, The USERS, Both Flynns, Independents, and the mighty ISOs since '82. |
ChessMess User
Posts: 443 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:11 PM
I don't think it was dime/quarter, he was just saying he doesn't see a dime except what he squeezes out of here.
Dillenger is Sarks User. Dillenger was originally the MCP's user but the MCP out grew him and created Sark which represented Dillenger. Sark is probably what the MCP looked like originally.
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:25 PM
I think that the Sark lightcycle scene at the beginning of Tron has been taken way out of context. Yeah, there's a guy playing a game, and its intercut with a battle between Sark and a conscript, but I don't think its mean to imply that the gamer is actually competing with Sark (and if he is, who is the program that's driving the bike?). I think it was just intended to show the parallels and give us a quick & dirty crash course about what's going on. Immediately after that race, Sark returns to the MCP, complaining about the weak challenges he's been assigned. I cant fathom he's talking about the gamers at the arcade, otherwise he wouldn't be so cocky about his matches. Remember, after Flynn gets brought to the grid, Sark immediately tenses up when he finds out that his latest challenge is a User. Why would he be so scared if he was going up against Users every day?
In fact there's actually never been anything to imply that Users are slaughtering hundreds of Programs every time a human pops a quarter into Galaga.
ChessMess Wrote:I don't think it was dime/quarter, he was just saying he doesn't see a dime except what he squeezes out of here.
Dillenger is Sarks User. Dillenger was originally the MCP's user but the MCP out grew him and created Sark which represented Dillenger. Sark is probably what the MCP looked like originally. |
I always wondered what Sark's original designation was, and could never think of anything that made particular sense. However, I just thought of something I like more than anything else: Sark is Dillinger's original pirate program, the one he wrote to steal Flynn's video game files. The MCP later either just took control of Sark, or Dillinger offered him up.abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion '> |
cirlin User
Posts: 382 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:29 PM
I'd always thought of the MCP as a sort of amalgam of all the Users that contributed to him, and of all the functions that he'd absorbed. Dillinger says he wrote him, but Flynn and Walter both talk about it in a way that makes me think a lot of people contributed at one point or another. I don' think there's anything that explicitly states that, but it was always the feeling I had.
As for the Lightcycles with Sark at the beginning, I've come to the conclusion that it's just a visual metaphor used to introduce the viewer to the parallels between games and the digital universe. I just can't come up with any rational explanation for how or why Sark would end up in one of hundreds or thousands of arcade games. Also I can't think of any explanation for how the program Sark is competing against would be both an "accounting cream-puff" and a kid controlling a lightcycle in an arcade.
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RenegadeProgram User
Posts: 593 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:30 PM
ChessMess Wrote:I don't think it was dime/quarter, he was just saying he doesn't see a dime except what he squeezes out of here.
Dillenger is Sarks User. Dillenger was originally the MCP's user but the MCP out grew him and created Sark which represented Dillenger. Sark is probably what the MCP looked like originally. |
True - but, whatever the case was, Dillinger was reaping the lion's share of Flynn's profits. I know this is just fiction, but I wonder what the court transcript would have read. . . .Hmmmm. . . . . . and I wonder what Dillinger was charged with, and what his claims against Flynn, Dr. Gibbs, Alan and Lora were. Don't get me wrong - I HATED Dillinger's character, especially after he got rid of Dr. Gibbs. I mean, Gibbs looked like he was old enough to be Dillinger's Dad. where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online Fighting for TRON, The USERS, Both Flynns, Independents, and the mighty ISOs since '82. |
cirlin User
Posts: 382 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:35 PM
I'm curious about the trial as well. I can totally understand Dillinger getting convicted of fraud, etc, but I'm not sure how that resulted in Flynn being in charge of the company. Perhaps the board of directors, or whatever they had, realized that all the companies best products came from Flynn and so offered him the job?on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 5:37 PM
cirlin Wrote:I'm curious about the trial as well. I can totally understand Dillinger getting convicted of fraud, etc, but I'm not sure how that resulted in Flynn being in charge of the company. Perhaps the board of directors, or whatever they had, realized that all the companies best products came from Flynn and so offered him the job? |
Precisely. The rise of Dillinger, and ENCOM were both on the wave of Flynn's game designs. Apparently, the profits from game division were the bread and butter of ENCOM's budget.
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Imbroglio User
Posts: 416 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 6:59 PM
cirlin Wrote:I'm curious about the trial as well. I can totally understand Dillinger getting convicted of fraud, etc, but I'm not sure how that resulted in Flynn being in charge of the company. Perhaps the board of directors, or whatever they had, realized that all the companies best products came from Flynn and so offered him the job? |
It was probably cheaper than getting sued for tens of millions of dollars and then having to go into competition with a company started by Flynn.
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 7:37 PM
The technology in TRON (such as the lightcycles arcade game communicating with the Encom server, Flynn hacking the Encom server, and the MCP having access to other systems) were all predictions of what technology could be like in the future.
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 10:57 PM
cirlin Wrote:Way to steal my thunder tronfanatic |
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Tron Fanatic User
Posts: 1,461 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Tuesday, November, 09, 2010 11:00 PM
It was probably cheaper than getting sued for tens of millions of dollars and then having to go into competition with a company started by Flynn. |
I don't think Flynn could afford it anyway. I'm guessing the only reason he was able to develop games was because he had access to the high-end ENCOM workstations. One that was gone, he was screwed.
That's an interesting angle though. Dillinger, if he was really smart, probably could've just kept the trial proceedings going long enough (appeal after appeal) to run Flynn's finances dry. You can only pursue legal action for as long as you have the money to support it, and Flynn would've had VERY limited finances. Flynn probably went straight to the shareholders with his evidence, rather than risk a lengthy and expensive court case. '> |
Imbroglio User
Posts: 416 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Wednesday, November, 10, 2010 12:30 AM
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Posts: 4,450 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Wednesday, November, 10, 2010 12:57 AM
Don't forget Large Processiong power like mainframes, and Supercomputers are not the same as what you and I have at home. The technology that is used on those are completely different than what we have at home. Take for example from cray themselves which are one of the leaders in supercomputing like the XE6 http://www.cray.com/Products/XE/Specifications.aspx and the XT from them as well. [url]http://www.cray.com/Products/XT/Specifications.aspx[.url] far more powerful than your home computer and more raw processing power that anyone of use would be able to handle. Unless your going to be pushing data to the extreme on machines like this at home. Unless you want to use something like this one which goes along more in the line of desk side super computing for animation for storms or something that deals with high performance computing. [url]http://www.cray.com/Products/CX/Specifications.aspx[/uel]. The one that flyns hs in the back room may have been one of the sections that were remote on the systyem and brought offline that could be use in a back room somewhere where it was not going to take a huge amount of power like the CX1 from cray. But still powerful enough to do what he wanted to do in the film itself.
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Wednesday, November, 10, 2010 1:22 AM
Ack, totally forgot about the other half of the OP question. Where is the proof that a supercomputer is even needed in order to get the result that we see in Legacy? A highend modern gaming machine is needed in order for the OUTPUT to display these kind of graphics. That has NOTHING to do with what the world inside the computer looks like.
There was no computer in 1983 that could realtime display the graphics that appeared in TRON. So why would a 2010 computer be needed to handle the T:L grid? There really is no connection.
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Posts: 450 | RE: TRON Legacy hosted on a 1989 Encom Computer? on Wednesday, November, 10, 2010 8:42 AM
Imbroglio Wrote:I want to know how the Encom computer was also interfaced with the Light Cycle video game in Flynns arcade.
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It didn't. Sark was competing on the grid at the same time a user was playing the arcade game. Two different games in two different locations, intercut for the sake of dramatic tension and exposition. The Clu abides, man...
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