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Posts: 803 | "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 6:53 PM
Okay... here's the original link:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/13/tron-legacy-producer-talks-about-the-sequel/
Can anybody put this into a context that isn't horribly offensive and unnecessarily dismissive? I mean... I'll admit, outside of little known films such as Tron and Blade Runner and Aliens... I know little of Syd Mead. His work is only considered visionary in the world of sci-fi. Right?
And Moebius? Winner of multiple Eisner awards? Winner of multiple Harvey awards? He is a world renowned artist. Who is he today? Same person he is every day. He's freaking MOEBIUS.
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 7:21 PM
I don't think he meant any offense or disrespect.
I think he's probably refering to that Mead and Moebius are sort of semi "retired" from working in a big production films nowadays.
I think maybe in Joe's view their design styles while great where not quite the direction he wanted to go and felt that those art/design styles didn't quite "fit".
The artist-designers that Joseph bought on (Daniel Simon, Neville Page) are deeply respectful of Syd's works and Jean's works.
I bolded the parts most telling of this:
"Did you guys return to Syd Mead or anyone for the new designs?
* We took, obviously, a lot of their inspiration.
* Steven gave us a lot of the original artwork.
* We brought Syd over one afternoon and walked him through.
But Joe [Kosinski - director] really looked at that design,
* respected that design,
but really said at the very beginning, "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today?"
So from Neville Page to Daniel Simon, David Levy .. Ed Natividad is another design superstar. I, in my experience, it was the most amazing design team I have seen.
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This is Sean Baily being interviewed and he may be
mis-quoting Joseph and not really explaining what Joseph actually meant.
I don't think Joe meant to be disrepectful or sound arrogant.
When I met and briefly spoke to Joseph Konsinski at the sneak preview screening of the trailer at the The Bridge in Los Angeles
I did not get the sense that Joe was arrogant or disrepectful, only that he wanted to build upon things established in the original Tron and refrom them to be visually sleek and compelling to today's audiences, and story-wise exciting and compelling for our current times.
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Posts: 529 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 7:30 PM
i have to agree with Shadow. i don't think he was being purposely disrespectful. it comes off a little awkward but i think he's trying to say "Who are THE Syd/Moebius of today."
anyway, how seriously can you take him when he also says:
the light cycles in our tests no longer do 90 degree turns ...
...and they are no longer straight up and down. They bend and they move...
a producer!? has he seen ?
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 7:32 PM
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Posts: 803 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 7:41 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I think it's mainly a case of Sean Bailey not wording things very well, or the interviewer misquoting what Sean was saying... |
It could be either. But taken at face value I find it horribly dismissive and arrogant.
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Posts: 235 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 8:14 PM
I think Kosinski's thinking was actually similar to Lisberger's thinking in preproduction of the original. He wanted fresh talent, something new. That's not to say that Mead or Moebius are no longer talented. Far from it. He was just looking for something new, cutting edge. Just like the original. And it's hard to explain that sort of thing without sounding arrogant.
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Posts: 803 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 9:05 PM
TechFalcon Wrote:I think Kosinski's thinking was actually similar to Lisberger's thinking in preproduction of the original. He wanted fresh talent, something new. That's not to say that Mead or Moebius are no longer talented. Far from it. He was just looking for something new, cutting edge. Just like the original. And it's hard to explain that sort of thing without sounding arrogant. |
I don't think it's that hard to explain without sounding arrogant. I mean, you didn't sound arrogant at all when you explained it.
It could be a misquote. I hope it is. Because if it isn't, the guy is an ass.
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ShadowDragon1 User
Posts: 2,056 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 9:22 PM
I think Joe is being misquoted, and am 99% sure he probably said "who are THE Syd Mead and Moebius OF today?".
Joe did not come off as arrogant when I met him.
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Posts: 803 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 11:51 PM
RustyMuffler Wrote:Wow. Sounds to me like someone's on a smear campaign. |
How so?
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 11:53 PM
lurkinghorror Wrote:Okay... here's the original link:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/13/tron-legacy-producer-talks-about-the-sequel/
Can anybody put this into a context that isn't horribly offensive and unnecessarily dismissive? I mean... I'll admit, outside of little known films such as Tron and Blade Runner and Aliens... I know little of Syd Mead. His work is only considered visionary in the world of sci-fi. Right?
And Moebius? Winner of multiple Eisner awards? Winner of multiple Harvey awards? He is a world renowned artist. Who is he today? Same person he is every day. He's freaking MOEBIUS.
Sorry for the rant... but this sort of arrogance on the part of Kosinski is amazingly offensive to me. |
I was there that day, and he repeated this several times. The images on that site from TRON are from my collection.
He was in fact saying that they wanted to know who the current Syd's and Moebius' are. I even had a conversation with Joe in my garage one day where he spoke reverantly of both men. DaveTRON
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Posts: 803 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Saturday, June, 19, 2010 11:57 PM
DaveTRON Wrote:lurkinghorror Wrote:Okay... here's the original link:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/13/tron-legacy-producer-talks-about-the-sequel/
Can anybody put this into a context that isn't horribly offensive and unnecessarily dismissive? I mean... I'll admit, outside of little known films such as Tron and Blade Runner and Aliens... I know little of Syd Mead. His work is only considered visionary in the world of sci-fi. Right?
And Moebius? Winner of multiple Eisner awards? Winner of multiple Harvey awards? He is a world renowned artist. Who is he today? Same person he is every day. He's freaking MOEBIUS.
Sorry for the rant... but this sort of arrogance on the part of Kosinski is amazingly offensive to me. |
I was there that day, and he repeated this several times. The images on that site from TRON are from my collection.
He was in fact saying that they wanted to know who the current Syd's and Moebius' are. I even had a conversation with Joe in my garage one day where he spoke reverantly of both men. |
Good to know. In cold text alone it came off pretty bad.
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Sunday, June, 20, 2010 12:20 AM
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Posts: 803 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Sunday, June, 20, 2010 12:30 AM
DaveTRON Wrote:Yeah, and you gotta wonder if some snothole writer wasn't trying to start something too. I know there is no lack of respect. |
Fair point. I should have assumed something like that at the start. It just caught me off guard.
Generally, I dismiss "quotes". But I fell for it this time. :/
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Sunday, June, 20, 2010 12:09 PM
Although that comment sounds harsh if taken at face value, it seems pretty clear to me that Kosinski respects the work done on the original film. I know I'm stating the obvious here . . . but just looking at the new Light Cycle alone, you quickly realize it's actually the old Light Cycle: the very first design proposed by Syd Mead before he was forced to change it due to the CGI limitations of the time.
That's all the evidence I personally needed to see, in order to know they're taking the sequel seriously and not forgetting the impact of the original.
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Monday, June, 21, 2010 11:09 AM
lurkinghorror Wrote:DaveTRON Wrote:Yeah, and you gotta wonder if some snothole writer wasn't trying to start something too. I know there is no lack of respect. |
Fair point. I should have assumed something like that at the start. It just caught me off guard.
Generally, I dismiss "quotes". But I fell for it this time. :/
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We all do. :-) DaveTRON
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Posts: 4,349 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Monday, June, 21, 2010 11:51 AM
lurkinghorror Wrote:Okay... here's the original link:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/13/tron-legacy-producer-talks-about-the-sequel/
Can anybody put this into a context that isn't horribly offensive and unnecessarily dismissive? |
Sure.
Syd Mead and Moebius are great, and their past work shows that, but what work are they doing today and is it the visual style that we want for a new Tron film? |
Artists' styles of drawing change over the years. It could be that most of Syd Mead's and Moebius more recent work may not be in the style that Kosinski wanted for Leagacy.
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Monday, June, 21, 2010 12:05 PM
TRON.dll Wrote:lurkinghorror Wrote:Okay... here's the original link:
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/13/tron-legacy-producer-talks-about-the-sequel/
Can anybody put this into a context that isn't horribly offensive and unnecessarily dismissive? |
Sure.
Syd Mead and Moebius are great, and their past work shows that, but what work are they doing today and is it the visual style that we want for a new Tron film? |
Artists' styles of drawing change over the years. It could be that most of Syd Mead's and Moebius more recent work may not be in the style that Kosinski wanted for Leagacy.
Just a thought. |
Please read the rest of the thread before digging the bones back up.
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Monday, June, 21, 2010 4:02 PM
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Posts: 215 | Re: "Who are Syd Mead and Moebius today"- Joe Kosinski on Monday, June, 21, 2010 6:40 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: It's clear that Kosinski was misquoted and representative of what he actually meant.
Since that's been resolved, maybe the thread should be closed. |
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