The 4000+ people that didn't get seats in Hall H for the 11 am Disney 3-D panel paid for their badges too.

But when Hall H is filled by ppl that mostly are there to see the 1:45 pm Twilight panel, there is an issue there.

But this really isn't about disliking Twilight per se.

It's about the ones running SDCC (in many people's views)
their lack luster and poor way of how they are are handling scheduling, and them not enforcing their own
"no camping outside Hall H" rule at all.

When it starts out at only 20 people, that's when it should be dealt with in my opinion.

The half joke/half serious protest is just an expression of the nerve wracking frustration with how SDCC was handling things with regards to Hall H and the crowd congestion and the "wait in line for 40 min - 3 hrs for every dang thing" aspects of the Comic Con.

These issues were not anywhere this troublesome stressfull or nerve wracking at SDCC 4 - 5 yrs ago. It hasn't got better, these once just slightly bothersome issues have just inflated and got worse.

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Jademz Wrote:I think you have a personal problem that makes you persist here when people don't agree.

I think you know what you can do with that little opinion of yours.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote: But this really isn't about disliking Twilight per se.

Then why does the petition explicitly state that Twilight and it's fans do not belong at ComicCon?

Again: I'm not challenging your ideas of reform (though I am stating that such reform might be a great bit more difficult than you suggest). I'm pointing out that the petition you are asking people to sign IS making a specific demand to exclude an entire sub-section of fandom based on subjective personal tastes.

"The entire series focuses on romance and isn't suitable to take a place in SDCC."

"We simply feel that the Twilight series does not belong at SDCC."

I'm not saying that you personally agree with this. But the attempt to dictate what does and does not constitute proper fan material is stated plainly in the mission statement of the petition. It's not a matter of debate.

The petition says nothing about the troubles that concern you. It simply argues that Twilight is inappropriate material for SDCC.

That's a value judgment, whether you agree with it or not.

I personally don't see how excluding one group over others is helpful in matters such as this. To exclude based on an elemental focus of Romance, as the petition states in one part, doesn't make sense when it is an story element that is used in some basic shape or form in all the other mediums at the convention.



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Jademz Wrote: What's your point? I don't have to think like you to be able to state facts.

My point is that if you're going to insult me, I'm going to treat you and your words with contempt. Do us both a favor and argue the topic, not the person.

Jademz Wrote:We don't need to agree with all points made in that petition either, should I look for one that includes your opinions? No doubt I'll find one.

This particular petition says nothing at all except that Twilight has no place at ComicCon. It makes no mention of lines. It makes no mention of camping out or saving a place for friends. It makes no mention of any issue brought up in this thread regarding a real or perceived failure on the part of ComicCon. It simply says that Twilight doesn't "belong".

The argument is that this issue transcends personal tastes. The petition does not reflect that. So even if this petition gathered enough signatures to make a difference, and ban Twilight from the show, it doesn't make any difference in regards to what ShadowDragon1 argues is the real problem. Reform.

So you say you don't agree with all the points in this petition. But only one point is made. That Twilight doesn't belong. There is no other point being forwarded.

Sketch Wrote:I personally don't see how excluding one group over others is helpful in matters such as this. To exclude based on an elemental focus of Romance, as the petition states in one part, doesn't make sense when it is an story element that is used in some basic shape or form in all the other mediums at the convention. Other than that, please calm down Jademz, it's just a thread. We're all human here.

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lurkinghorror Wrote: Jademz Wrote:I said I agree with the points made by ShadowDragon, and I'm done letting you argue with an argument I'm not going to keep feeding. I didn't bring any propaganda into this, just hope for the Comic-Con management to do their job. So don't keep pushing it. If you have a better solution, move to the front of the pack and do something about it. If not, go ahead and ramble at me, and see if it gets anywere. Actually, if you take a look at the clear and preserved history of this discussion, it's you addressing me. Good try though. See ya!

Good, and nice way to get a thread that I support locked.

One point for the fans.

It seems to be a little off topic, so I apologize for making that statement.

Twilight is in the genre of "Teen Romance". It's fantasy component is superfluous in my opinion.

It is IMO, in a way, somewhat out of place at SDCC.

Sort of like "As the world turns" or "Days of Our Lives" would be out of place, even if those soap operas added in wimpy Vamps, beef cake werewolf boys, or a wizard and witch (some soap opera series I saw while channel surfing actually did have some witch and a midget wizard characters LOL).

There is already a "TwiCon" so I really see little reason for it to be at SDCC in my view.

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Twilight is in the genre of "Teen Romance". It's fantasy component is superfluous in my opinion. It is IMO, in a way, out of place at SDCC. Sort of like "As the world turns" or "Days of Our Lives" would be out of place, even if they added in wimpy Vamps and beef cake werewolf boys. There is already a "TwiCon" so I really see little reason for it to be at SDCC. It's unfortunate that SDCC seem to care more for tourist and mainstream Hollywood revenue that it does the avid comic book/sci-fi/fanstasy fans that have attended SDCC for 15, 20, or 40 yrs now...

I think if the petition was a general call to diminish the animation/gaming/movie side of things, I would not disagree. My problem is that Twilight is just one aspect, and should not be singled out.

On the subject of panel reform, what might be a better approach would be the institution of reservations. As in: When you order your pass, you can reserve a space at a panel. X number of panels per day. The badge has a bar code and is scanned at entry, or you receive tickets to specific events with your badge.

It would still be a "first come first serve" solution. But one dealt with online rather than in the middle of a hall. That way, security becomes less of an issue.

That would be a good way to handle things yes.

Twilight is singled out more for what it represents in the frustrationg issues that certain "hyped up" things like it generates at SDCC.

Plus it's a pretty much a *teen romance* movie, it has it's own convention now.
So because of that, it's sort of out of place in many people's opinions. Some other secondary things like animation are still fairly closely tied to comics and fantasy & sci fi fandom.

Teen romance soap opera's are sort of out place even if the characters are wimpy sparkly wanna-be vampires and wolf-boy teen beef cakes.

It's sort of like putting the Jonas Bros at SDCC if they dressed as zombies for some goofy tween/teen movie..
It's just sort of out of place in my opinion.