If we spoke person to person this may be easier.

So, I want to make sure we're talking about the entire subject matter, but respective to science, reasoning for stating facts, but understand that a consensus is clearly not always fact, all the more reason to completely explain yourself.

That being said, you say the term religion. You need to include behavior patterns to compare to a religious person. I know you see nutjobs all day who convice you to pay up and go to heaven, kill for gods, disconnect from society or go to hell, or some conflict in our society we find distateful. We aren't talking about them, we're talking about hard beliefs in wisdom. I believe in this system, so let's make it easy to agree to something in here.

In other words, don't mistake the real from the abstract in doing so. What belief systems do you think aren't a religion as well. Some groups of "believers" aren't half baked.

With this dialogue, rather than try to attempt to convice a person whom synthesises chemicals via glands built into him/herself for the explicit reason to survive - explain to me more than one study on things to become organized for our understanding, rather than polarizing what is popular to listen to.

I may say and prove to you that people who don't belive in God are suffering from a lack of everything given to us to survive - everything we make for healthy fulfilling life it's-self, not one rationale, some people get tangled up in society's whimsy of fantasy only to find someone is filling them with chemicals to find another way to deal with their lack in faith. Perhaps they metabolize certain chemicals faster than you, and you haven't been examining your chemical makeup to see that happiness together in certain beliefs is actually more healthy than moping around thinking about what do stars mean, god isn't telling us anything, you can't believe what a chemical says, it's lying.

We need to have goals, and commonality, before this turns into a misunderstanding.

Which is why I say Liberal is the way forward. Do whatever you want so long as it doesn't invade other peoples freedoms/rights.

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data_ghost Wrote:Liberal is the way forward. Do whatever you want so long as it doesn't invade other peoples freedoms/rights.

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data_ghost Wrote:The basic ideas behind an ideal liberal world are that (to an extent) the less government, the better.

The governments that exist now? yes, less useless people giving away our freedom and ability to descide our fate.

The government cannot better the citizens unless we have a self contained government that only works in behalf of people in general, not any corporations, special interest groups, or political manifestations.

There's no clean way to govern purely corruptable men. They all hide in the cracks, taking from people who serve thier interest.

Citizens should exist without pressure to communise or capitalise. No restriction should be made on a citizen (so no restrictions on transgenderism, homosexuality, different cultural traditions, religions etc) so long as these liberties do not affect the rights/freedoms of others.

The problem is that with each system you listed - each is a personal problem.

The place of the government is to protect their best interest.

The government's power is unifying to such a point that it's solely a dictatorship right now, and it is this way to consolidate into the world, and rebuild the upside-down pyramid that is fate.

It's feeding on death and destruction, but you can't see it because it's a cover up with happy faces, and we should worship death, cuz it's cool.

The main point is that the section of people who disagree with the inabilities of others to manage the wellbeing of the people are quickly becoming the weakest part of what will be left of the government.

You and I are least important in this, because we're stock in the future. We'll buy sell and distribute the propaganda that makes today special, yet free to decide not to? I don't think so. That's not yours to decide. That's up to a judge. Soon the world court will give your country special options to pay off it's debt. Where's liberty going to get you then?

I realise this may actually technically be more libertarian than liberal but hey, I'm 15. Just being able to understand basic politics makes me above average for my age.

True, politics can provide a valuable peice of machinery when there's no compromise. Your success depends on the conscience of your brand of liberalism.

The fact that what one group says goes these days is appauling. There's a rise against the powers happening, and people don't understand how to read into it. But we should have many choices, now it's a vacuum of one's ideology in a slanted world of ignorance.
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Several people around me have had a flu that hit's them with devastating effect, including myself. So how well does your doctor who needs billions of dollars to get his "facts" straight better than me?

He's not. I've knocked out 5 serious flu illnesses here which I attribute to the swine flu, very serious symptoms, what's my weapon? how much did I pay for it? nearly nothing. I got sick, asked my friend who owns a life extension store near me how to fix it, and for 4 years I have helped heal everyone near me w/ flu in 6 hours or less. Swine flu? 8 hours for symptoms, 24 hours - just feeling tired. Compare that to dead, or crying in pain, for something that began as a train accident in brazil, now a widespread virus.. pfft. bring it on. I'd be happy to help anyone who doesn't want 3 shots that are more harmful than good, just let me know.

Despite what my friends say, I'm not the almighty healer. I just wish I knew one.

Sounds rediculous perhaps. Feels rediculous, and is the most evil flu ever to date? you decide. I offered my help. Tamiflu did help me a long time ago, but not even close to what I have now.

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I fear - but seriously don't, you miss my point.

I heard this was all started by a pharmaceutical company shipping a package on a train. The train crashed, 16 people were infected by the package.

Would you ship refined pharmaceutical grade swine flu on a public transport unguarded, to be used for study, but when the train carrying it wrecks, the hazmat team wash the infected passengers with soap and send them on thier way after a few hours observation?

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data_ghost Wrote:Ahhhh, well played sir. The skate's right to skate, or the house owners right to keep out skaterboarders..... I would say the house owner's right to keep out the skateboarders is superior.

i said commercial property owners, old man, not house owners - or how about municipal ordinances that ban skateboarding in, for instance, all of washington d.c.?

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