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YouTube sold you out in 2006, and said they would operate independent of google, so they sucked then and they suck now(metaphorically speaking). The net neutrality issues come to mind, but it's really issues about the ways people communicate to me.

Youtube wanted to keep jobs, now they are cutting them. It's a phenomenon you can attribute to our government's involvement in life in general and otherwise.

There is no equal representation on the internet apparently - ect.. They'll discriminate based on who you are. (I use the term "the united states of consent" to get to the point)

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So you're saying the Average Joe will no longer be allowed to upload videos, be they nonsensical or educational?
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They have a channel that puts up all the updates and bloopers....

This has been a concern of mine and I think I might be uploading my crap to another site. I'll still with YouTube if they do make a drastic change.

lurkinghorror Wrote:Like it or not, YouTube is a vehicle for rampant piracy. As such, I would love to see it (and it's imitators) shut down.

Thank God I live in the land of liberty. If people were that legalistic the net would be even more of a stagnant theocracy run by the people who want you to pay for your freedom, and then smash your face in.

My opinion is that there is a gray area with technology.

If the things people enjoy would be left in ruin because someone's philosophy of ideological purity was forced down people's throats(edit) The entertainment business as we know it would be hell bent against it.

We pay too much for the entertainment industry and it's infrastructure(for big business) for it to be privatized and watered down. If censorship of the internet was enforced you'd all be grabbing your torch and pitchfork headed to Ted Turner's mansion like a victim of the bailout protesting at the AIG employees houses, and Washington.


The corporatization and censorship of the internet will make me boycott anything that supports it and the idiots who think they won.

Jademz Wrote: lurkinghorror Wrote:Like it or not, YouTube is a vehicle for rampant piracy. As such, I would love to see it (and it's imitators) shut down. Thank God I live in the land of liberty. If people were that legalistic the net would be even more of a stagnant theocracy run by the people who want you to pay for your freedom, and then smash your face in. My opinion is that there is a gray area with technology. If the things people enjoy would be left in ruin because someone's philosophy of ideological purity was forced down people's throats(edit) The entertainment business as we know it would be hell bent against it. We pay too much for the entertainment industry and it's infrastructure(for big business) for it to be privatized and watered down. If censorship of the internet was enforced you'd all be grabbing your torch and pitchfork headed to Ted Turner's mansion like a victim of the bailout protesting at the AIG employees houses, and Washington. The corporatization and censorship of the internet will make me boycott anything that supports it and the idiots who think they won.

It's not the "corporations" behind this. It's those that use the internet to redistribute material without legal right. If no one was doing this, it would be unlikely that anyone would try to shut these aspects of the internet down. So if you think the internet is threatened by the entertainment industry, remember that the entertainment industry is reacting to the actions of those pirating copyproteced media. Not exactly a chicken or the egg scenario.

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If people (as a whole) cannot responsibly use the internet, then they don't deserve to keep it. Anything that is done that helps eliminate piracy, I support. If that means broadband restrictions and no YouTube, so be it. And if it pisses you off, take it up with those truly responsible. The people who take things without paying for them. They're the ones ruining the internet for everyone.abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

Traahn Wrote:Businesses are in business to make $$ (ka-ching!) Google bought YouTube ... and for quite a hefty sum, if I remember correctly. They should be able to do with it what they want, especially if it means recouping the money spent. If the market doesn't like it, then we have a right to not go there.

I'm not going to argue that they are corporatized and that money makers are there to represent my privileges. I realize the underground is not your ideal culture. I agree to an extent that it's going too far to rebroadcast copyrighted material, But I don't think the approach using legalism and censorship is correct. They could have their own websites linking us to the big bad bootleggers video and it would actually make money. Its a culture. I'm sure most of that culture isn't here to tear down corporations and hard working people, they may be genuine customers.

Either way, I have to agree a bit with Lurkinghorror. As a digital artist, and appreciator of digital art and many things that are creative, piracy and unauthorized use or rebroadcast of someone else's material runs rampant there and I kinda don't like that aspect.

That's a good stance to take, I don't make time to get angry about what rules I break when I link what I "broadcast", nor do I earn a living as an entertainer, or artist.
But I make sure what I use is artistic based on what I like, and to pay homage to it's creators much moreso than myself. I loan my friends my purchased extra TRON movies, privately and so what if I pay out the nose and spend alot of time using software to rip it and rebroadcast it in the artistic forms. Just like It's for my friends and fans who like The movie and game. I don't give bootlegs away, just my montages set to music.

Here's a good example of my infringement on the entertainment business. My commercial to Tron, as a friend and fan.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8xmfr_tron-epic-surprise_musicI have more on the way, and you know what? I'm getting nothing, who is? Big businesses. I bet they've copycatted more than you'll ever be able to make in 20 lifetimes so go ahead an tell me why they didn't get into this niche of the internet. Touche.

I do it for my entertainment. And I'm against the grain for it, oh well. I think we all get along just fine. Unlike some here I don't steal ideas and stuff from anyone on the forums, I say it like it is, I enjoy the nature of the people and the forums.

So what product (if you don't mind sharing) is it that you sell?

lurkinginhorror Wrote: Protecting copyright, protecting artists... this is not "corporatization and censorship". You know why there aren't more Tron comics? Or maybe why there aren't more Tron video games? The Tron comic was downloaded (at least) 10x the amount it sold. I know the game was plagued by piracy. Cause and effect.

So where was your comic advertised excluding this site? I know you went to conventions, Did Disney ever help you with a huge comic material themed booth? Figurines? Or was their stuff not good enough?

Gladly, I see you here advertising here why not Disney? I know why. They are not serving you my friend and yes it is they who didn't protect you, they didn't do anything but ruin your good intentions in my opinion. They are not interested in the common man making it as an entrepreneur and you felt the corporatized bs in your face the whole time. So did you unionize with disney? I'm guessing not, disney could have a union worker make their stuff, while selling comics, what rights would they give you? it's a win.

So how much advertising losses have you taken? You'd be doing good with a real representative of your creativity in this case. A few actors showed up to your gigs, But then when you have no good manager to organize your material with the drive you expect with the names Disney and TRON it becomes something else. I've had people here freak when I post pics as a fan of their mod, so I pulled them, I'm sure they would hate it if I actually made a video since it's such a controversy. Hell I'd make a video for the comic as a fan and you may sell more. What would they say? I wouldn't have even known about something cool like that w/o seeing you on here. I just think these ppl don't see the big picture. where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

Yeah you have a point there Qixx, I've seen atleast 5 items this week I'm going to purchase not to bootleg, but because I appreciate artists making this stuff.

Also I'd like to retract what I said about Disney not wanting the common man to make it as an entrepreneur, I know they have job creation programs and I apologize for that, (thats what I blabber about when I get no sleep)
lurkinginhorror - but as a fan I can't help but wonder why they did you a disservice with creating a exciting product that makes toys and stuff.. Just seems like a odd relationship to me I guess.