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Posts: 0 | No One Lives Forever on Tuesday, February, 12, 2008 7:19 PM
I just completed the single player adventure of this game for the first time ever. I purchased the Game of the Year edition in early January.
Until just before Christmas, I knew almost nothing of this game. I had seen the acronym "NOLF" here and there over the years, but never knew what it meant and never cared enough to look in to it.
I learned of this game while listening to a geek-friendly podcast I listen to regularly. They were talking about their favorite FPS games and mentioned this game in the company of Perfect Dark - a game which I really enjoyed a lot in 2000.
NOLF takes place in the last 60's, and I'm not really a big 60's fan or anything. I much prefer futuristic things, which is what PD is based on. But this game was getting high praise from people who seem to share many interests with me, so I gave it a try.
In a word - WOW!
The game immediately drew me in. From the very start, I loved the 60's theme and all the gags, even though I'm not really a fan of that decade. The intro sequence features Cate Archer (the main character in the game) dancing against a psychedelic background while the theme music plays. That's SO 60's! As a kid, I saw several 60's movies on a lazy Sunday afternoon (in the late 70's, early 80's) that started out with that exact kind of thing - a girl go-go dancing (think that's what it's called) to the film's intro music.
The plot drew me in quick too. The plot was very well done in my opinion. I also learned quickly why the game's title is "No One Lives Forever". Very fitting.
Graphics. I'm a big fan of super realistic game graphics. This is because I am in search of a virtual adventure or reality simulation - NOT just a "game". Great graphics don't make the game great, but they can make a good game rock that much more. Bad graphics can, in turn, detract from a good gaming experience too. NOLF is a game that was released in 2000. I was worried that the dated graphics might distract me a little or make me feel not as in tune with the game as I could because I've been spoiled by better graphics since (RE4 being a recent game I enjoyed).
The graphics were outstanding for a game of that era if you ask me. Keep in mind, I wasn't a PC gamer in 2000, so maybe the graphics in this game were just on par with everything else. But compared to the N64 games I was playing at the time (like PD), this game looked absolutely stunning (again, for the time it was made). Although dated by today's standards, the graphics did not detract from my gaming experience. I did tend to look at the game's presentation as something from 2000, and in that respect I was very impressed with it.
The game play itself was very satisfying. The controls worked great and it ran very well on my old PC (which is one year newer than the game itself). There were glitches in the game - getting stuck between objects momentarily and things like that, but jumping and crouching usually got me free quickly.
All in all, this game was a real treat and exceeded my expectations of it. I ended up enjoying it more than I did Perfect Dark, which I played a LOT of back in 2000 and 2001. PD didn't loose any fun points in my book, but NOLF did bring me more overall satisfaction and enjoyment in the experience. I think conceptually, PD was better - probably because of its futuristic, sci-fi theme. But NOLF was a far richer experience and I found myself wanting the game NOT to come to an end. Technically, there is more game to enjoy because the GOTY edition has a few extras tacked on to the end, which I have not explored much yet, but the main chunk of the game ended last night.
There is a lot of in-game humor which I really enjoyed a very much. There were plenty of 60's jokes, campy humor, and a few sight gags. Most of the humor was in the overheard conversations of the bad guys, which there was a good number of throughout the game. I was surprised how many conversations thereorder abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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MutoidMan User
Posts: 2,232 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Tuesday, February, 12, 2008 8:15 PM
I've got NOLF GOTY but I've never gotten past the first couple of levels. That's nothing against the game; I have a bunch of games that I've just never finished for whatever reason. Lately though, I've been working through my games one by one; I'll just have to bump NOLF up in the queue so I can share what I think based on the entire game and not just the little bit I've played. Although, I really find what I have played to be quite groovy.
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Posts: 0 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Tuesday, February, 12, 2008 8:30 PM
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TronFAQ Sector Admin
Posts: 4,467 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Wednesday, February, 13, 2008 12:40 AM
Well, TheReelTodd already knows what I think about NOLF. But I'll restate my thoughts here for the fun of it.
NOLF is still probably the best game Monolith ever made. Though NOLF 2 and Tron 2.0 come really close. When I heard that Monolith was doing Tron 2.0, I knew the game would be special, just like NOLF was.
NOLF may not have even been the most technically advanced game for its time (the graphics were already a bit dated even then), but it more than made up for it being being an absolute blast to play. The gameplay, the scripted gags, the funny dialogue, and some very unique moments that no one has copied since, all add up for a truly memorable experience.
The game *is* a little bit of a rip-off of Austin Powers. It was clearly inspired by it. There's even a character in the game that's lifted straight out of the films. They don't really try to hide it. But it's so much more than that. It has a style all its own, so it doesn't *feel* like a rip-off. It's also clearly inspired by other stories, like the James Bond films and Get Smart, like TheReelTodd said.
Todd said that an 8 year old game provided more fun than some games he's played recently. Sadly, I have to agree with him. Starting around 2004, the gaming industry entered a slow death spiral. There are still a few standouts here and there, but for the most part the games keep getting crappier every year. All the fancy graphics and physics gloss in the world can't hide shoddy gameplay.
Even Monolith aren't the same company they used to be. After a whirlwind period where it seemed they could do no wrong, putting out hit after hit, their winning streak ended. Sure, a lot of people would argue that FEAR was a great game. And I admit for sheer "blow stuff up" quotient, FEAR is awesome in that regard. It really does that part well. But the game itself is boring, overall. Not up to par with Monolith's previous efforts.
Anyhow, enough ranting about the state of gaming today. Hope you enjoy the last couple of levels, Todd! And don't forget to check out Showdown.
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Traahn User
Posts: 3,301 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Wednesday, February, 13, 2008 5:49 PM
Ahh, yes, I forgot about NOLF and NOLF2. They were unique games... I enjoyed them... and the graphics were good for the time.
I don't remember being very impressed by the AI, though. (As soon as you're within sight of the enemy, they'd shoot or toss throwing stars at you, no matter how sneaky you try to be. That's my recollection anyways.) And I think the gameplay was pretty linear? These are fairly big strikes against a game in my book. I still enjoyed them. Thanks for reminding me about them!
Tron 2.0's AI wasn't much better, though. And most games' AI, in general, usually aren't any better. It's a sad fact of FPS gaming life that bothers me to no end. I say we forget the PPU, GPU, CPU and other things that make games look "pretty" for a while -- let's get an AIPU (AI Processing Unit), for crying out loud :P
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Posts: 0 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Wednesday, February, 13, 2008 7:30 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:I've got NOLF GOTY but I've never gotten past the first couple of levels. |
The game held my interest very good, so I had no problem finishing the game. I only ever owned a single game that I did not complete - read could not complete because it was just too difficult. It was Golgo 13 II for the NES.
I recently took a look at your very large collection of PC games. Very impressive, BTW. I think I know why you didn't get past the first couple of levels - too many other games of interest to jump in to (or so I'm guessing). I generally only chew on a single game at a time.
...I've been working through my games one by one; I'll just have to bump NOLF up in the queue so I can share what I think based on the entire game and not just the little bit I've played. Although, I really find what I have played to be quite groovy. |
Yes, you really should bump it up and dig in. The experience of the game actually got better as it went a long for me.
Did you know that TRON 2.0 is built on a modified version of the same engine that NOLF was built on? That might explain why you like the graphics so much. |
Yep - I noticed that. I was saying to TronFAQ not long ago that I found an interesting trend with Monolith. NOLF and TRON 2.0 were both impressive games, that didn't seem to garner much attention or even get well advertised. TRON 2.0 almost slipped under my radar and NOLF did completely slip under it until recently. Perhaps the games were advertised in venues I don't frequent though.
death-program Wrote:NOLF? I think I knew someone who played that. It looked pretty cool. |
It IS very cool! Buy it. Play it. Enjoy it! I got mine for just under $15 including shipping. That's an amazing price for such a cool game.
Traahn Wrote:I don't remember being very impressed by the AI, though. (As soon as you're within sight of the enemy, they'd shoot or toss throwing stars at you, no matter how sneaky you try to be. That's my recollection anyways.) And I think the gameplay was pretty linear? |
The game was very linear, which some games kind of need to be in order to follow the plot. A game like this could have had countless options that the programmers would have never had the time to put all in there if it were a nonlinear game. Honestly, that would have made for an awesome experience, but I don't think they could have pulled it off given what took place in this one. I do prefer, however, games that are more non-linear over the linear ones.
In terms of the AI in the game, I thought it was pretty good for an 8-year-old game. But you're right - as soon as you step within their field of detection, you're busted. Not even the fuzzy slippers can get you around that.
I think we'll see game AI get better in the years to come... if the gaming industry gets off the graphics-only upgrade kick and starts looking in to actual game play realism to go along with the better graphics. And I'm STILL waiting for true 3D, dammit! (my never ending gaming argument )
TronFAQ Wrote:NOLF may not have even been the most technically advanced game for its time (the graphics were already a bit dated even then), but it more than made up for it being being an absolute blast to play. |
Aside from some of the models in the game (vehicles, mainly), I thought the graphics were outstanding for the time. But then again, this is only one of two PC games of that time period I've ever played or really seen in depth. Most of my gaming was on the N64 back then, which was not exactly a graphics powerhouse.
The gameplay, the scripted gags, the funny dialogue, and some very unique moments that no one has copied since, all add up for a truly memorable experience. |
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Posts: 3,301 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Wednesday, February, 13, 2008 11:35 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:
In terms of the AI in the game, I thought it was pretty good for an 8-year-old game. But you're right - as soon as you step within their field of detection, you're busted. Not even the fuzzy slippers can get you around that.
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Suprisingly, this part has changed very little in 8 years. It seems at least 4 out of every 5 first-person shooter games I play has AI that behaves like this (Rainbow Six: Vegas; Bioshock; Doom 3; Half-Life 2; Uncharted: Drakes Fortune; Assassin's Creed; Halo 1/2/3; the latest Turok (somewhat); the list of dreadful AI goes on and on).
Thief 2 came out 8 years ago and the AI didn't behave like this. The fact that I can open a door in Thief 2 and not be greeted by a bunch of army guys shooting me from 100 yards away is a great feeling. It's one of the reasons why I can still get an urge to play Thief 2, 8 years after it was made. T2's AI is far from perfect, but it's just nice to play a game where AI actions feel a little more realistic. It is very non-linear, large levels and you get to play at a slowed pace which is something most FPS games don't let you do. Did you say you've played this game before?
TheReelTodd wrote: I think we'll see game AI get better in the years to come... if the gaming industry gets off the graphics-only upgrade kick and starts looking in to actual game play realism to go along with the better graphics.
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We better get better AI in the years to come or I'll never shut up about Thief 2.
TheReelTodd wrote: And I'm STILL waiting for true 3D, dammit! (my never ending gaming argument |
I hear ya. That will be nice. The IMAX is showing a U2 concert in 3D and it's supposed to really be a nice showing of the 3D technology that exists nowadays. Will be nice to have in video games some day...
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Thursday, February, 14, 2008 2:32 AM
Half-Life 1 and both Thief 1 and 2 had breakthrough AI. And to be honest, I don't think anyone has improved on them since. Which is a pretty sad statement.
I actually thought the AI in NOLF was pretty good, too. Better than the AI in NOLF 2 and Tron 2.0, actually. I don't know what Monolith changed, but the AI seems dumbed down in their later games. Though FEAR raised the bar again. I'll give them credit for the good AI in FEAR, at least. Even if I didn't care much for the rest of the game.
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Posts: 2,232 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Thursday, February, 14, 2008 5:05 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:MutoidMan Wrote:I've got NOLF GOTY but I've never gotten past the first couple of levels. |
The game held my interest very good, so I had no problem finishing the game. I only ever owned a single game that I did not complete - read could not complete because it was just too difficult. It was Golgo 13 II for the NES.
I recently took a look at your very large collection of PC games. Very impressive, BTW. I think I know why you didn't get past the first couple of levels - too many other games of interest to jump in to (or so I'm guessing). I generally only chew on a single game at a time. |
Thanks.
The purpose of my game list is twofold: To enable me to keep track of my games (being that I didn't keep a list of them before I started doing so for the thread), and to spur conversation about the games with people who have played them or who are interested in them. The second part hasn't worked out so hot; ironically, I find most people on the sector aren't really into video games, PC games especially. Sure, there are a few here who are really into PC games, but not as many as you'd think.
Being that I'm not a console gamer I really don't get involved in console conversations because I don't have much relevant experience to share.
It's true, I do tend to jump from game-to-game a lot. Which is why now I'm really trying to play through one game at a time to get through more of my collection. In fact, I just recently finished Fallout: Tactics and then Star Trek: Legacy. NOLF is next on my list! "We are, after all, not God." - Cmdr. J. J. Adams "C is for cookie. That's good enough for me." - Cookie Monster "If money is the root of all evil, I'd like to be a bad, bad man." - Huey Lewis & the News
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Posts: 0 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Thursday, February, 14, 2008 7:30 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:...The purpose of my game list is twofold: To enable me to keep track of my games (being that I didn't keep a list of them before I started doing so for the thread), and to spur conversation about the games with people who have played them or who are interested in them. The second part hasn't worked out so hot; ironically, I find most people on the sector aren't really into video games, PC games especially. Sure, there are a few here who are really into PC games, but not as many as you'd think. |
That's a bummer. For some reason, the TRON fans who are heavy in to gaming (on the PC end) don't seem to hit The Sector as opposed to other TRON fan sites or just gaming sites. It's a shame there isn't more gaming talk going on. I think most members here are in to gaming to some extent, but not to the extent you are.
Being that I'm not a console gamer I really don't get involved in console conversations because I don't have much relevant experience to share. |
You know - I feel the same way. Mostly with PC games, because I don't have many of them (3 currently, and one on the way), but also in the console market as well. My most recent console was a GameCube and it was a HUGE disappointment in terms of games for it that I was actually interested in. Best GC game (I played) is hands down, Resident Evil 4. I was addicted to that for FOUR straight playthroughs in a row. Second was Metroid Prime (first one). Only owned 9 games for the GC since 2001 when I got it.
After playing games like TRON 2.0 and NOLF, I can see why PC gamers tend to be more hard core than the console gamers. The games have so much more to them... or at least the ones I played (for their time period). And I LOVE the quick-save feature present in most PC games. I never have much time to game, so my gaming usually takes place in small increments of 15-20 minutes (except for Saturday afternoons). In that time on a console game, I'm lucky to get to the next save area or checkpoint. On a PC, I save and I'm good to go... not to mention I don't have to fight the boss PERFECTLY every time. Hit the quick save after a few good shots/rounds, and then pick up from there if I die. I save the non-quick-save battles for subsequent playings of the game (and for when I have more time to enjoy them).
It's true, I do tend to jump from game-to-game a lot. Which is why now I'm really trying to play through one game at a time to get through more of my collection. In fact, I just recently finished Fallout: Tactics and then Star Trek: Legacy. NOLF is next on my list! |
I can see why you jump from game to game. Like I said - you've got quite an impressive collection! With so many, I can see it would be tempting to go over to this game or that like a kid in a candy store who has a craving for a little bit of everything.
Try to keep the blinders on for a while and not get too distracted by the number of games at your disposal. I'm curious to hear how well NOLF sat with you. It was awesome in my book, but how will it fair in yours? Oh - the horror of waiting to find out... how will I sleep until I do? Naa, I'm a patient guy. Happy gaming, MutoidMan.
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Posts: 3,301 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Thursday, February, 14, 2008 11:05 PM
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: No One Lives Forever on Friday, February, 15, 2008 1:51 AM
Traahn Wrote:I don't remember HL1's AI being anything remarkable, but I don't think I played that game for very long; so maybe I missed out. In HL1, I played that game on a slow computer with a choppy framerate and don't remember getting to fight anything other than zombies or creatures. So, I admit my HL1 experience was less than ideal. |
It was the part where you had to fight against the Marines. The creature AI was average, but the Marines were amazing.
They would use tactics like having one distract you, while the other snuck up from behind to shoot you in the head. If you threw a grenade at any of them, they would hightail it out of there while remaining behind cover. They didn't stupidly rush straight at you. If they were injured, they would back off and try to get healed by a medic. This was really advanced stuff for its time. And like I said: today's AI has not improved on this at all, really.
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