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MutoidMan
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Thursday, January, 24, 2008 1:54 AM
It's not great, but it's okay.

By far, the best thing about the show is how by virtue of having the protagonists travel through time from 1999 to 2007 in the first episode, the events of T3 have been relegated to an alternate timeline and are no longer a part of the mainstream Terminator reality. As longtime Sector members know, I absolutely loathe T3. Basically by saying that T3 never happened the show has earned my continued viewership, at least temporarily.

As if time-traveling, nuclear-powered, skin-sheathed killer robots from the future weren't enough to temporarily suspend disbelief of, the whole subplot of the T-888's quest to completely repair not just its combat chassis but to regenerate its muscular and epidermal layers as well is a bit much. However, the T-888 is killing people left and right so I'll let it go. I mean, walking around with a motorcycle helmet that still has the motorcyclist's head in it is just way too cool, so I'm inclined to cut the show a little slack here.

The "Cameron" Terminator that's supposed to be the most advanced of the endo-series Terminators just isn't exciting me. She's not hot (she looks like a girl barely in her teens for crying out loud) and I don't care how advanced she's supposed to be, she doesn't seem believable when she's throwing around a much bigger T-888. Robert Patrick throwing Arnold around was believable. Why? Because even though it was much smaller than a T-800, the T-1000 was made completely of liquid metal, so it was perceived as being extremely advanced and therefore conceivably should be quite capable of defeating a T-800.

Other than that stuff, and what looks to be a suspicious cribbing of Incredible Hulk cliches - cop = Mr. McGee - the show has some potential. Whether or not it lives up to that potential, time will tell.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, January, 28, 2008 9:14 PM


MutoidMan Wrote:Other than that stuff, and what looks to be a suspicious cribbing of Incredible Hulk cliches - cop = Mr. McGee - the show has some potential. Whether or not it lives up to that potential, time will tell.
Heh, you're right. The show does have a bit of a Hulk or Fugitive vibe to it. So can we expect Sarah to soon paraphrase Dr. Banner?

"Don't make my friend angry. You wouldn't like her when she's angry."

Well, no new episode this week. My understanding is that Fox is airing a repeat of the first episode because they don't want to compete with the State of the Union address.

But I've seen some previews of the next two episodes, and they look really good. Especially the next episode. Looks like there's going to be A LOT of action in it. In fact, the previews kind of reminded me of T2.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Thursday, February, 07, 2008 7:29 PM


So, is anyone still watching this show?

The fourth episode was pretty good. I had a couple of minor nitpicks with it, but overall it was fun to watch and I enjoyed it. The action picked up again this time around.

The next episode will be another slow one, from what I can tell. But it still looks pretty interesting.



*** SPOILER WARNING ***

I won't go into the story too much, but I mainly wanted to point out the things that bugged me.

Cameron has some kind of DVD that she wants to play, to show Sarah and John that the other Terminator (Cromartie) came through time with them. (The less said about this, the better. I'm still not happy with how they had Cromartie reactivate, but never mind.)

She puts the disc in the player and wants to show it to them, but can't get it working at first. Then John has to explain to her that she needs to change the video input on the TV to "Video 2" on the remote.

This little gag was very lame. You're telling me that an advanced AI is stumped by how to properly use a TV and its remote? When it comes to technical things, Terminators should be experts. It's only when it comes to social situations, that I'd expect a Terminator to be awkward at understanding what's going on.

Also, how did she make the DVD? When you watch what's on the disc, you see her HUD zoom in on Cromartie's head to enhance the image and analyze it. Both Sarah and John can see this. How did she manage to put this video on the disc?

When Cameron trapped the other Terminator inside the fallout shelter, she did it by taking the key to the door mechanism. So now, naturally, he's trapped forever right? Well, unless the writers surprise me in a later episode, there's a bit of a lapse in logic here.

Considering Cromartie managed to tear his way through a vault door, are we really sure this other Terminator couldn't burrow his way through the blast doors? I realize that the doors would be massive, made of tons of steel and concrete.

But since it was pretty damn unrealistic for a Terminator to rip through a vault door in the first place, then it might be possible for another Terminator to get through the blast doors or one of the walls. Or he might even burrow through the ground. It might take him a few years to get out, but he could still escape.

Or, what's to stop him from opening the door lock mechanism and somehow hacking it? All it required to operate was a simple key. By shorting a few wires, he might be able to bypass the system and get the doors open again.

The last thing that bugged me, is when Cromartie killed Laszlo (holding him by the throat as he looked in the mirror) and when Cameron jumped off the truck before it went off the cliff. I know they tried hard, and the effects turned out *pretty good* but you could still tell they were both faked.

Oh, and at first I thought Coltan was probably a BS name that the script writer made up . . . but it turns out Coltan is actually real. It's the unrefined form of tantalum. So the Terminator endoskeletons are supposed to be made of tantalum alloy. The only thing is, Coltan does not look like silver/grey metal. It's black. And probably very brittle. So those silver/grey chunks of metal are a little dramatic license taken by the writer.



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MutoidMan
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:55 AM
Yep, I'm still watching!

I completely agree that it makes no sense that Cameron was perplexed by a TV remote. Lame.

Yeah, how she made the DVD is a mystery to me. We could easily advance our own explanations; however, if I have to come up with the explanation to cover their mistake then I'd want a No-Prize. Wouldn't you?

Cromartie neatly tearing apart a vault door like it was made of LEGOs was a bit much. Terminators have never before been made out to be as strong as The Hulk, or Iron Man, for example. If Cromartie is that strong, then Cameron must be at least as strong if not stronger in order to hold her own in a fight with him, right? Otherwise, he'd tear her apart easily.

The other Terminator being trapped by the blast doors or walls is questionable. If Cromartie could tear through that vault door, then this other Terminator should be able to get out of the bunker somehow. He should at least be able to bypass the lock mechanism.

I agree the effects were a bit off, but being that it's a TV show I'm letting them slide.

Now, how about the fact that Cromartie has completely regenerated a brand-new, completely different, and flawless biological disguise in a matter of days, seemingly out of nothing more than a bathtub of blood, a hyperbaric chamber, and a couple of doctors? The dude even grew a full head of hair! And how the heck is he keeping that first doctor's eyes alive?

I don't know. I may not last very much longer as a viewer, but I'll try to hang in for a few more episodes.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, February, 12, 2008 1:48 PM
Just when I think I'm almost out, they pull me back in!

This week's episode was definitely interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing how things develop and play out in the next episode. Future fights next week!

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, February, 12, 2008 6:45 PM
I wanted to be *in*, but I'm out.

Not because the show was bad or anything - I really wanted to see more after the slow 3rd episode I saw, which is the only episode I saw, period.

The wife didn't like it enough to give up her other two shows she records on Monday, and I don't care to fuss with the VCR to record it. Yeah - I'm that lazy these days.

Oh well. I've missed several other good shows over the years because of timing (and lack of time). Guess I'll add this one to the list.

If you dig the show a lot, you can thank me now. You see, if I really enjoyed the show a lot, it would have gotten canceled sooner. For some reason, the TV shows I really enjoy don't last long. I've got some kind of curse or something... or probably I just dig what most people think is crap. But what'cha gonna do when some of the most popular TV shows are "reality" crap - the very shows that can induce vomiting if my eyes are trained on them for more than 10 seconds. I'm just not in to popular stuff and thank GOD for that!

Enjoy the show guys. I've already missed too much to bother with catching up. It's a lack of time and the hassle factor. Perhaps they'll have a marathon of it on SciFi in a few years and I can catch a bunch of episodes back to back then.





 
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Wednesday, February, 13, 2008 1:47 PM


There were a couple of minor things that bugged me a little, but this episode was pretty sweet. I'll have to watch it again to catch all the details.

Oh yeah, and I made a small mistake in my evaluation of the last episode. When watching the episode again, I noticed the crates said "Refined Coltan". If the raw ore was refined, then it would indeed have looked like grey/silver metal. However . . . when coltan is refined, it's no longer called coltan. It's become tantalum. So the show was still technically wrong.

Todd, you should be able to watch all the episodes on Fox's web site. So you could visit there and watch whenever you have the time. Though I understand that watching it on your computer screen isn't quite the same as sitting on the sofa and watching it on TV.



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One of the things that I remembered bugging me, was when Cameron removed the CPU from the Vick Terminator. It came out a little too easily. In T2, extracting the chip was a bit more difficult and involved.

I'm guessing the Guidance counsellor is the one who was having the affair with the girl who committed suicide. He was asking way too many questions of Cameron, about who else she thinks might have talked to the girl. Like he was worried that the girl might have spilled the beans about their relationship to someone.

I knew the fourth resistance fighter was going to be someone "special", but I wasn't expecting him to be Kyle's brother. I actually expected him to be John's brother, or maybe his son.

And I can't believe they're going to do future war scenes in the next episode. That's pretty cool. Just hope they turn out well.

Since the writer's strike is apparently over, maybe there's still a chance we'll get 13 episodes of the show instead of 9 this year. Only 9 have been made, so far. But here's hoping the show goes on hiatus briefly, and then returns with the remaining 4 episodes.

It looks like the last two episodes (8 and 9) will both be aired on the same night. It's going to be some kind of big cliffhanger finale.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, February, 19, 2008 6:05 PM
Last night was pretty good! This show was already getting interesting, even more so now that they've injected this new possibility of reprogrammed Terminators "going bad" into the mix.

Just what does Cameron have planned for the T-888 CPU she slipped into her pocket? (Or is that CPUs? They're supposed to have three now, right? Are they all in that one module, or did Cameron only remove one CPU?) Basically, has she begun to "go bad"?

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, February, 19, 2008 7:14 PM


I remembered a couple of things that bugged me about the previous episode.

First, considering that Cameron probably has less mass than the other Terminator did (she's shorter and has a lighter build) it seems hard to believe she could have held him down. Second, how convenient is it that they just happen to have a toolbox handy with the right tools so she can remove the chip?


As for the latest episode . . . wow, they really kicked things up a notch! The show was stumbling for a bit there, but it's definitely recovered.




*** SPOILER WARNING ***

I guess we've seen a T-600 for the first time, eh? The one keeping all the resistance fighters prisoner had rubber/plastic skin.

So what was in that room, I wonder? Reese didn't seem that affected after he came out again. And what was up with letting all the prisoners go? Hmm . . .

Holy shit, Wisher was Andy Goode! I didn't even recognize him with the beard and heavy clothing. Even better . . . Bill Wisher, eh? Another tribute to one of the creators of the Terminator series. (Wisher co-wrote the scripts of the first two films, and is a good friend of James Cameron.)

Okay, about this "Cameron might be going bad" angle. The line she said in the future "Sometimes they go bad, no one knows why" was planted there by the script writer precisely to make us think that now about Cameron. But I feel this is a bit of a misdirection.

I don't think Cameron is going to turn on John or the others, or anything like that. I'd say it's probably one of two things.

1) When Cameron was re-programmed, they missed a very deeply embedded routine. Where the most fundemental instruction of every Terminator, is to ensure Skynet's survival. Not about killing its enemies, but simply to preserve Skynet. Despite her new programming, this fundemental instructions remains, and she may even be preserving the chip without being fully aware of it.

2) John purposely programmed Cameron to preserve the technology to create Skynet. Who knows, maybe John has actually lost it at some point in the future. He might think that without Judgment Day, he would have no purpose so it must happen.



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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, February, 26, 2008 6:30 PM
TronFAQ Wrote:I guess we've seen a T-600 for the first time, eh? The one keeping all the resistance fighters prisoner had rubber/plastic skin.)

That was pretty cool how they slipped a T-600 in there without overtly pointing out that it was a T-600. Only the Terminator fans - like us - would've caught it, and that made it even cooler.

TronFAQ Wrote:So what was in that room, I wonder? Reese didn't seem that affected after he came out again. And what was up with letting all the prisoners go? Hmm . . .

My guess is some kind of mental programming. Reese may not be what he seems...

TronFAQ Wrote:Holy shit, Wisher was Andy Goode! I didn't even recognize him with the beard and heavy clothing. Even better . . . Bill Wisher, eh? Another tribute to one of the creators of the Terminator series. (Wisher co-wrote the scripts of the first two films, and is a good friend of James Cameron.)

That was great. I think Andy might be better off dead than living with the knowledge that he was in large part responsible for the near-complete destruction of human civilization.

I didn't know about the "Wisher" connection. Thanks for pointing it out.

TronFAQ Wrote:Okay, about this "Cameron might be going bad" angle. The line she said in the future "Sometimes they go bad, no one knows why" was planted there by the script writer precisely to make us think that now about Cameron. But I feel this is a bit of a misdirection.

I don't think Cameron is going to turn on John or the others, or anything like that. I'd say it's probably one of two things.

1) When Cameron was re-programmed, they missed a very deeply embedded routine. Where the most fundemental instruction of every Terminator, is to ensure Skynet's survival. Not about killing its enemies, but simply to preserve Skynet. Despite her new programming, this fundemental instructions remains, and she may even be preserving the chip without being fully aware of it.

2) John purposely programmed Cameron to preserve the technology to create Skynet. Who knows, maybe John has actually lost it at some point in the future. He might think that without Judgment Day, he would have no purpose so it must happen.

All very interesting possibilities. Maybe we'll get a hint as to what's really going down in the season finale.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Friday, February, 29, 2008 3:18 PM


I've been meaning to comment on the latest episode now for days, but I need to watch it one more time before I comment. I never say anything without at least watching an episode twice, because it's easy to miss things.

What I will say is that I thought the episode was good, except for the way Dr. Silberman was handled. First, I was kind of hoping they'd bring back the original actor. He probably would have been available, and not cost that much to bring back. Second, I have a little trouble believing that Silberman would become unhinged like that and turn into a bona-fide nutcase himself.

Also, there was a bit of controversy before the episode aired because the episode description said his name was "Dr. Silverman" and people were dissing the show creators for not paying attention to the original films. But as it turned out, they didn't make that mistake.

Next week Fox is airing the last two episodes back-to-back, to make it a two-hour season finale. So the show starts an hour earlier. It seems that no more episodes will be made until the series gets renewed. There were supposed to be 13 episodes, but it got cut short down to 9 because of the writer's strike.

Speaking of renewal, there's a rumor going around that it has been renewed. But I won't rest easy until I hear an official statement. It would be a shame to kill the show now, just when it's really starting to click.


I found a couple of cool videos you all might want to watch:

Terminator vs. Cleatus
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 11:04 AM
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 12:05 PM
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 5:48 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:My DVR is all set to record the season. Between this, Dexter, Eureka, and Robot Chicken, I've got me some seriously good TV-watching times ahead!

For me... It's mainly this show, 24, Lost, and maybe the new Knight Rider series... but that's till I get the chance to see some of the new upcoming shows.

Shows that I liked that got canceled throughout the years:

Jericho (best show in a long time. Little bit like Red Dawn.)
American Gothic
Journeyman
Fire Fly
Coventing Cross
PSI Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal
Forever Night

...and that's all I can think of at the moment... Good stuff.


 
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 7:59 PM
Ok.. that was an awesome episode. Not going to spoil it but the ending was really cool. Can't wait till next week.


 
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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 9:19 PM
I really appreciated that twist at the end. Heck, I could almost believe than the writers had read my scathing remarks on T3 regarding the T-1000 vs. the T-X.

This season is already shaping up to be an interesting one.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Monday, September, 08, 2008 9:48 PM
I agree. I believe they did really good for a season starter. I guess with the ease of CGI today as compared what they did back in T2, it must be more affordable and easier to do, so although I was thankfully surprised, I also appreciated the direction they went with it.

I sort of didn't like Carmen going 'nuts' thing... but we all sort of knew that everything would be fine in the end. I guess it's a setup option if FOX cuts the series (which would be a huge mistake) at the end of the season. I see this happen too often (remember 'Fire Fly').

At first I didn't like the business chick cause her style seemed to have walked right out of Total Recall..... uhh.. no.. wait... Blade Runner (hair, make up, and outfit) which wouldn't work in this series... but when you find out who she is.... then it works perfect.

Such a great show. Love it so much... Fox better keep it.

Summer Glau is really a very beautiful lady. I loved her in 'Fire Fly' and I love her character in this as well. Lena Headey is another foxy lady and seeing her in such a bad ass role serves her so well. I think she makes a wonderful replacement for 'Linda Hamilton' (dont' get me wrong... No one can truly replace her) and she brings what the role needs.

Folks are going to get pissed with me when I mention that Thomas Dekker is a better John Conner than Nick Stahl. I'm sorry, but I never liked Nick. He is a good actor but not of my tastes. Brian Green is another awesome actor. I have a little bit of mixed opinions about his role and don't know if it was written well enough, but after the Season 1 final... I was sold 100%.... So I hope we see him in more action this season. I also love Richard T. Jones as the FBI agent. You know that somehow his and Lena's characters are going to connect again soon and it's really going to be interesting how the writers make this work.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Friday, September, 12, 2008 7:03 PM


Hmm, guess I'm going against the flow here . . . I thought the season two premiere was pretty weak. They stumbled out of the gate.

It was what happened with Cameron at the end that ruined the episode. The way it was handled. John acted like a fool. Didn't suspend my disbelief at all.

And while the surprise at the very end was pretty "cool", the way it was delivered was also somewhat pointless. You knew it was just there because it was cool, and not because it served a real purpose in the story.

So while this episode wasn't completely horrible, it wasn't great either. Roll on next week.

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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Tuesday, September, 16, 2008 6:25 PM


Even though the second episode was pretty much a by-the-numbers affair, I think I still prefer it over last week's episode.

However, there was one point about it that annoyed me.

Highlight to reveal Spoiler:How is it that Skynet was able to send a Terminator that looked like Greenway? Considering that "all the records before the war" were destroyed and Skynet has always had such a difficult time tracking down Sarah and John, how could Skynet have made a Terminator that was a perfect imitation of Greenway?

Even if you took into account the idea that the Greenway Terminator could have changed its appearance the same way Cromartie did, it really seems to be stretching the limits of believability. Did the real Greenway visit a plastic surgeon, too? Who just happened to have details on his face appearance and measurements? And this Terminator forced another plastic surgeon to make him look like Greenway?



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Re: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

on Friday, September, 19, 2008 9:42 AM
TronFAQ Wrote:It was what happened with Cameron at the end that ruined the episode. The way it was handled. John acted like a fool. Didn't suspend my disbelief at all.

I completely agree with you on that. It was pretty stupid.

TronFAQ Wrote:And while the surprise at the very end was pretty "cool", the way it was delivered was also somewhat pointless. You knew it was just there because it was cool, and not because it served a real purpose in the story.

Eh, see here's where our opinions diverge. I thought this was cool because now we know that production of the T-1000 didn't stop at the prototype from T2. I also found it interesting because now it appears that Skynet's got an overarching strategy, and it consists of more than just the repeated use of the same "send a Terminator back to kill John Connor" tactic, or the "send a Terminator back to gather supplies" tactic.

TronFAQ Wrote:So while this episode wasn't completely horrible, it wasn't great either. Roll on next week.


Yes the show stumbles - a lot - but the good outweighs the bad.

And now the game has changed.

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