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foilism
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bit + mcp -- pioneers?

on Tuesday, November, 27, 2007 6:04 PM
alrite fellas?
just gonna share some thoughts.
im currently studying animation and have become interested in the history of the cgi character. initially i thought 'the abyss' had the first cg character in 1989, the cool psudopod. but then i learned about 'young sherlock holmes' from 1985 that i havent seen which features the first human cg character.

but then i realised that bit is cg! is he not? true cg? and the mcp, clearly cg. 1982. but it wasnt the first film to use cg... theres was futureworld 1976 which i need to look into, then star wars '77, the death star plans were 3d. but bit and the mcp are significant characters animated in the computer, the first computer animated characters?

i find this really cool, as now the industry is all about the best characters out there, gollum, yoda, aslan, king kong. not that tron was a pioneer for character animation, but it seems like a huge milestone in cinema animation - the beginning of a massive new advancement, synthetic characters in live action....

im rambling, i just found that amazing today..... any insights? corrections? cheers.....

ruf


 
TheReelTodd
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on Tuesday, November, 27, 2007 6:34 PM
Yes, Bit was indeed real CGI animation. There were some other designs tossed around that included a face and a more rounded appearance (as opposed to the sharp polygon look it ended up as) that might have been hand animated, but in the end, Bit was indeed true CGI, 100% computer animated... except for the trail it left sometimes when it darted off. That might have been hand animated, but I'm not sure. But that's not Bit, just his trail.

And yes, the MCP was 100% computer animated... well in some scenes anyway. For some shots of the MCP, I remember reading somewhere that the MCP was not computer animated. But when he's computer animated, he's 100% computer animated, as opposed to part CG and part hand drawn in the same frame.

I believe that Bit and the MCP are indeed the two first fully computer animated characters in a feature length film. TRON is not the first film to employ computer animation as we all know, but it was the first film to feature that amount of computer animation whereas other films before it just used computer animation for a quick effect here and there. Like in Star Wars, where the only real computer animation was the showing of the Death Star plans just before the battle of Yavin.

Funny thing about TRON is not just the amount of computer animation used in it, but also the traditional animation that was made to look as much like computer animations as possible. Funny how they tried to pass off hand drawn animation as computer animation back then when now they try and pass off computer animation as something real. I get a kick out of that for some reason.

As a kid, I thought all of the imagery that took place in the computer (except for the actors themselves) was actually computer animated. They fooled me. At the same time, I noticed how odd looking some of the computer animation was. I knew computer animation was supposed to look perfect and render perfectly translated depth, etc. I clearly remember the recognizer sequence in which Flynn was flying through the canyons, seeing it from his view - it looked off to me. It didn't look like the depth was proper and some of the angles didn't look so perfect. At the time, I just figured it was poorly done computer animation. I didn't realize that it was hand drawn animation. There were many glitches in the animation I noticed back then, that turned out to be because they were not computer animated. I even thought the backgrounds were 100% computer drawn back then. Aside from the not so perfect animation at times (which no film has ever been 100% perfect), I thought they did such a wonderful job of blending all of that together. Man, I love that film!





 
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Re: bit + mcp -- pioneers?

on Wednesday, November, 28, 2007 12:50 AM
foilism Wrote:i learned about 'young sherlock holmes' from 1985 that i havent seen which features the first human cg character

That's a good movie, kinda makes me think of a much smaller scale of harry potter maybe? Although I can't remember CGI people but there were some creatures.



 
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Re: bit + mcp -- pioneers?

on Saturday, December, 01, 2007 3:46 PM


foilism Wrote:but then i realised that bit is cg! is he not? true cg? and the mcp, clearly cg. 1982. but it wasnt the first film to use cg... theres was futureworld 1976 which i need to look into, then star wars '77, the death star plans were 3d. but bit and the mcp are significant characters animated in the computer, the first computer animated characters?
TheReelTodd already did an excellent job of explaining the Bit in Tron, so I won't repeat what's already been said.

But regarding the first use of CGI or the first CGI character.

The first Hollywood film to use CGI was Westworld. But the graphics were extremely primitive. Wireframes on the display screens in the Delos control room, and the POV shots from the Gunslinger were also CGI.

If you're looking at more advanced 3-D animation, then yes: Futureworld was the first Hollywood film to use it, I believe. Which was quickly followed by the film Demon Seed.

When it comes to the first CGI character in a Hollywood film, then I guess it all depends on your definition of "character". Technically, you could argue the face on the screen in Futureworld was a character. Demon Seed also showed a CGI representation of Proteus' face. Star Trek: The Motion Picture had a CGI version of Iliya. And Looker had CGI of people as well. These all came before Tron.

But, I think we all agree that those were not true characters. So Tron's Bit and MCP are the first in a Hollywood film.

However . . . CGI characters were already being used in advertising, educational shows, and experimental art films long before Tron. MAGI did a demo reel with a CGI character back around 1972! It was an extremely simple character, but nevertheless it was a character.



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