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zazumage
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Gears of War looks an awful lot like...

on Wednesday, May, 30, 2007 4:25 PM
Has anyone else noticed this? Gears of war for the xbox 360, it looks a wee bit tron inspired, what with the glow of the imulsion as in the inside world, underground, in enemy territory, and the locust having the red glowing armor parts and the Cogs having the blue armor. Also the helmets of the unimportant Cogs, they look very Tronish. Any opinions? Also, 25 more posts away from 100, i feel so proud...




 
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on Thursday, May, 31, 2007 1:48 AM
IMHO i don't think it is comparable with Tron. These days the use of glow or bloom effects for light-sources can be found in nearly every last game-engines, engines-derivates or games produces with those engines. Tron was unique because of its plain, geometrical style, its wireframe-glow and the often used, technical patterns everywhere.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online


 
zazumage
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on Thursday, May, 31, 2007 8:05 AM
i know i know, the bloom and what not, however, i'm talking about the concept of the inside world. The evil people being red, good are blue, i dunno. It just seems to click for me.




 
Qix77
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on Thursday, May, 31, 2007 2:46 PM
I'm waiting for Epic to release it for the PC sometime later this year. Since it was their X-Box exclusive, Epic said early on that there will be a PC release of the game.

Also for the PC, is Unreal Tournament 3 which also will be released later this year. The Unreal Tournament franchise has always been exclusive to the PC (other than Unreal Championship which isn't really the same game), however it will also be a PS3 title as well.

I'm concerned about Epic's drastic move to the console market as of late but happy that they have found great success with Gears of War.

Ever since the release of Epic Pinball back in the early 90's, I've always been a fan of Epic and seen them evolve into a fantastic company. If you like FPS games, you should check out the original Unreal. It was the big turning point for Epic and their first 3D engine (which is the foundation of GOW using the U3 engine).

Can't wait to play it..


 
xistence
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on Thursday, May, 31, 2007 4:52 PM
I played/play UT for a long time and waiting for this title as well. I am just have my concerns about the fact that it is said you will have problems to play it w/o a DX10 compatible graphiccard.
And about your point around the pc vs. console thingy: i can just agree, but we should just buy all the stuff, we shouldn't think about it. Thinking is bad, so the companies do it for us, we should have our trust in them.
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on Thursday, May, 31, 2007 6:34 PM


Qix77 Wrote:I'm waiting for Epic to release it for the PC sometime later this year. Since it was their X-Box exclusive, Epic said early on that there will be a PC release of the game.
See, this is what ticks me off to no end. They release a game like Gears of War for the 360, and then months (or even years) later they finally get around to porting it to the PC. By that point, hardly anyone is interested in it any more. Almost everyone who wanted to play it, played the 360 version already.

Also for the PC, is Unreal Tournament 3 which also will be released later this year. The Unreal Tournament franchise has always been exclusive to the PC (other than Unreal Championship which isn't really the same game), however it will also be a PS3 title as well.
This also irritates me to no end. From what I can tell, the 360 version will again come out first and then the PC version shortly after. This feels like a betrayal on Epic's part. UT was always a PC franchise, but now suddenly the 360 is getting preferential treatment.

Also, with another game I'm eagerly looking forward to, Bioshock . . . so far, almost all the press has been about the 360 version. And all the videos released were recorded from the 360.

Every time a game is multi-platform, the PC version always gets the shaft.

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Qix77
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 1:13 AM
I'm strictly a PC gamer and I understand about the frustration with ports all too well. It's like a double edge sword for PC gamers these days.

First, the bad:

Too many companies are trying to kill too many birds with one stone. The degrade the game by making it most compatible with the lowest system and then just port (without any improvement what-so-ever) to all platforms. The only good that PC gamers get out of it is the ability to run the game in higher resolutions and sometimes given tools to make their own maps or mods for the game. So if you invested in (say) a Geforce 8800 GTX which surpasses the GFX of the PS3, then the ports won't be much better than a PS3. But rarely is this not true.


Now, the Good:

Some titles that are console exclusive (like the GTA games) and is a huge success is later ported (and sometimes improved) for the PC. When San Andres was released for the PC, I was drooling due to the improvement of the engine and how the GFX was improved a bit compared to the PS2. Plus we are able to mod that game (not provided by RockStar) and we can play our mp3s on the radio stations in which many console gamers missed out on.



Conclusion:

I'm in no way against console gamers. Many games work on the console that usually wont do well on the PC. Just the same as most PC games don't do well on the consoles.

PC gamers are more demanding of quality and content because we invest a lot to get the best. We also love to dissect our games and retrieve music, sound, textures, etc even if it's on our own terms. We have a history of pride because most of innovative technology that have been and still being used was first invented for computers (GPU's for example) and we had first tibs.

The reason why there is an outrage from PC gamers is because developers are now after the $$$. The console market sells well because it's more affordable and there is little to no learning curve. We have crap companies like Dell and HP that sell cheap crap (nothing like back in the mid 90's) that have piss poor intel GFX chips, horrid on-board sound, and try to make it appealing for sell under $600.00 with the rebate scam. This hurts us.

These days, if you really want to get a really good PC experience, you pretty much have to build your own (like I do). I invest in to SoundBlaster X-Fi because I love the THX sound and SS 7.0+. I invest into N'Vidia and/or ATI because I like to be ahead of the tech and experience games way ahead of the console design. I also invest in these things so that I can do more than play games like Video editing, setting up a small recording studio (yes, I make music), Photo editing, testing out new tech, and even indulge in the dark side of the PC underground (no, not pirated stuff). But is costs money to do these amazing things. Like around $2,500 to $10,000 depending on what you're plan is.

PC's don't really become obsolete in one point of view. I've been running my home brew PC for over four years now and I'm just now at that point where I need to build another. I will not retire my computer by any means since it will always serve a purpose and good for using in a network.



WOW... did I write all of that? I'm not revising anything this time. If you read it all, I hope you understand where I'm coming from. This is no way an attack on consoles, just an insite of what Ultra PC users and computer enthuses are like.

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xistence
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 4:34 AM
That the main reason in all of that, that some are just intrested in making money, is well known.

The big problem is that in the past companies were dependent from customers, so they tried to satisfy them. But after a long time of educating the 'next generation' we're standing at a point where those, leaving with their eyes open and seeing whats happening, can't do much enough as the rest (the 'educated' ones) will just run into the next store, buying crap just because the commercial on TV told them to do so, and at least they don't ask questions like:
'Why do i have to pay 50-60 bucks for a piece of plastic with some digital informations on it? Was it so really expensive to produce that?.'

We have a huge gap between the real costs of products and that what is demanded from us, and too much are not asking the right question.
Consoles are just the next step for the companies to make much more money, because the less we know about the production, the costs and the effort they needed to produce their stuff, the better they can tell us lies and we can only believe them or just not buying the stuff what results in the fact you are excluded somedays.

My very own personal opinion is that you cannot do so many different things with a console what you couldn't do with a PC as well.
Instead creating a whole system, create a OS that can work as easy as a console, where you just put in a CD/DVD and play. I mean consoles are exactly that way, same or modificated OS, HD, CD/DVD-device, etc. , so why should i buy something that i already have at home??
Create new input devices on standard ports instead creating new console for just one new device. It is possible to invest all the effort to create things, now made as/for consoles, for PCs as well, but with that you cannot make the enough money (means tons of it).

IMHO there is no real -logical- argument to always have extra systems, consoles and devices wether it is about the costs or the fact that PCs could be to complicated for simple users wanting to play a game. The only reason is making money.
All said is just my personal opinion.
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 5:36 AM
I've given up on PC gaming. Hours and hours wasted trying to figure out why a game won't run, ridiculous amounts of money and energy trying different video cards and the like, finally getting to a point where the system is operational for that particular game, and then the next one to come along doesn't play. I give up on that and just buy a brand new PC for well over a thousand. Next new game to come along won't play.

Forget it. Waste of time. I buy an XBox game, I put the disk in, 999 times out of a thousand that's the end of it. I actually get to play the game, rather than constantly delving into hardware and software issues on my own limited free time.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online


 
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Re: Gears of War looks an awful lot like...

on Friday, June, 01, 2007 6:35 AM


lurkinghorror Wrote:Forget it. Waste of time. I buy an XBox game, I put the disk in, 999 times out of a thousand that's the end of it. I actually get to play the game, rather than constantly delving into hardware and software issues on my own limited free time.
Let's not turn this into THAT sort of discussion, please. Just like I'm not knocking your Xbox, don't go knocking my PC.

All I'm saying, is if game developers and publishers do a version for any platform: do it right for crying out loud. Don't give us a half-baked, crappy port months or years later.

And be fair to your original customers who supported you in the past. Without all the people that bought the Unreal and Unreal Tournament games for the PC: there would be no Epic, no Gears of War, and no Unreal III. (Never mind the fact that a huge number of games use the Unreal engine, which again came into being because of sales from the older Unreal PC games.)

Qix, your post summed up my feelings perfectly. I bear no ill-will toward anyone's preferred platform, I just want fair treatment.



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lurkinghorror
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 7:30 AM
Let's not turn this into THAT sort of discussion, please. Just like I'm not knocking your Xbox, don't go knocking my PC.

I'm not knocking YOUR PC. I'm discussing my own frustrating experiences with MY PC. If your PC works for you, that's great. If you never have compatibility issues and aren't having to constantly take apart your machine and spread the parts across the floor like an old Buick, you're a luckier man than I. If you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars in upgrades everytime a new game comes out that interests you, fantastic.

But for the record, feel free to say whatever you like about the XBox. I didn't make it and I don't own stock. Even if I did, why would I take offense? I've read negative reviews of things that actually impact my life and shrugged. Nothing is perfect and all things can bear criticism and scrutiny.


 
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 11:09 AM
Some of you will remember that I'm strictly a PC gamer, so you know where I stand on this PC vs. console debate. For my 2¢, I also feel the frustration of seeing game series that got their start on the PC abandoning it for consoles, or giving consoles exclusive content, or at the very least being released on consoles before being released on PC.

There is a silver lining, however: It looks as if developers and publishers have just about gotten past the initial learning curve and now realize that even if they can port a game from console to PC or vice versa, that doesn't mean that it's always a good idea. Spending more time and money up front to properly develop for each platform will earn more money because more people will buy the game. Take Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 for example. The console and PC versions are basically two seperate games, each with their own development teams. While the console version is already out, the PC version is still being worked on because Ubisoft is really trying to do right by the PC gamers. That kind of delay I can readily appreciate.

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 11:21 AM
Qix77 Wrote:These days, if you really want to get a really good PC experience, you pretty much have to build your own (like I do). I invest in to SoundBlaster X-Fi because I love the THX sound and SS 7.0+. I invest into N'Vidia and/or ATI because I like to be ahead of the tech and experience games way ahead of the console design. I also invest in these things so that I can do more than play games like Video editing, setting up a small recording studio (yes, I make music), Photo editing, testing out new tech, and even indulge in the dark side of the PC underground (no, not pirated stuff). But is costs money to do these amazing things. Like around $2,500 to $10,000 depending on what you're plan is.

Bottom line: Computing speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 11:33 AM
xistence Wrote:Why do i have to pay 50-60 bucks for a piece of plastic with some digital informations on it? Was it so really expensive to produce that?.

Back when my parents were paying for the game cartridges for my Atari 2600, the games were in the $30 to $60 range for a simple 8 bit game. For the price of games today to be in the same range, even with the huge development effort that has to go into each game, is almost incredible to me. That's akin to a brand new car, with all of its more advanced technology, still costing what new cars cost back in 1978. Personally, I don't think anyone who complains about the price of video games today is being fair.

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 11:57 AM
MutoidMan Wrote:Personally, I don't think anyone who complains about the price of video games today is being fair.

The thing is, i worked for several software companies so far, and currently i'm in a game-developing company, so i know exactly about the cost in producing such stuff. And taking such prices as these days -is- way too much.
And i don't know if you also remember the fact that back in the 70's - 80's it was much harder to develop software and much more expensive to produce PCs at all.
But now the costs a extreme low but the customers still has to pay high prices, that is not fair in my opinion. For sure everyone has to decide for himself if he likes to do so or not.

So if you like to pay your hard earned money even if it is not comparable to the costs they had, you are surely welcomed by the companies to do so. I decided to have a close look on that what i buy and if it is worth it. No offence, it is just my meaning.


 
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 2:02 PM
xistence Wrote:
MutoidMan Wrote:Personally, I don't think anyone who complains about the price of video games today is being fair.

The thing is, i worked for several software companies so far, and currently i'm in a game-developing company, so i know exactly about the cost in producing such stuff. And taking such prices as these days -is- way too much.
And i don't know if you also remember the fact that back in the 70's - 80's it was much harder to develop software and much more expensive to produce PCs at all.
But now the costs a extreme low but the customers still has to pay high prices, that is not fair in my opinion. For sure everyone has to decide for himself if he likes to do so or not.

So if you like to pay your hard earned money even if it is not comparable to the costs they had, you are surely welcomed by the companies to do so. I decided to have a close look on that what i buy and if it is worth it. No offence, it is just my meaning.

So are you trying to tell me that comparitively speaking it was more expensive for, let's say Activision, to have paid David Crane to create Pitfall! than it was for BVG to pay Monolith's very large team of people to create TRON 2.0? No way.

As far as the price of hardware is concerned, the consoles have gone up in price, but considering that you're getting a specialized PC in a spiffy package, the price still isn't bad at all. PC prices have actually gone way down from what they were. A top-notch brand-new 486DX-based PC would've cost a person $2500. For the same $2500, which because of inflation is worth less today than it was in the late 1980's, you could build a very good PC that's going to be a viable gaming platform for quite a while.

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 4:48 PM


I used to be a console gamer only... then along came Lord Of The Rings Online and I don't know when I last turned on my consoles... or even had the desire to purchase the PS3

I did upgrade my memory to 1G from 512k but that was it... and the game runs pretty good. No high end graphics or whatever, but that's OK.. that's not as important to me as gameplay.




 
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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 4:53 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:So are you trying to tell me that comparitively speaking it was more expensive for, let's say Activision, to have paid David Crane to create Pitfall! than it was for BVG to pay Monolith's very large team of people to create TRON 2.0? No way.

I just spoke about my experiences and what i saw/see inside of game-development studios, so under some aspect: yes i do.
To get back on your example: it is like comparing apples with eggs because the time-gap is too large. I was talking about the whole development through the years and the reuse of engines, licening those and reducing your own cost as company in creating a new game.
You always have two parts of a game: the technique and the content. And i even also know that creating a new model, level or sound isn't comparable with the same costs you have to develop an engine with 10-20 persons through 1-2 years.
Look on your HD and you'll find 3-4 or maybe 5 different engines you have installed for several times as games. Only the name and the content has changed. If you look up on wikipedia you can see there aren't many leafs about different engines used for producing games.
So if someone tells me it was very expensive to create a game as a new engine needed to be developed i can just agree, but if i buy a game where i already have about 60-70% of the engine (and sometimes they also reuse content) then i don't.
Also you sometimes buy an addon for the same prices as for the retail game. For what? For the fact you already own 90% and they only imaginate a new storypath? Don't get me wrong, i do music, stroyboard writing, modeling and all the stuff as programming by myself, so i know about the work you have to spent and i don't want to lower the effort But i also can see the effort and the costs companies these days really spend in their products, and my point is: i cannot accept their behave or those prices.

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 6:59 PM


lurkinghorror Wrote:Nothing is perfect and all things can bear criticism and scrutiny.
True, but I don't want to go into that territory. Otherwise the discussion could end up turning into a huge fight about the merits of each platform.

Anyway, I think I made my point.

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on Friday, June, 01, 2007 8:30 PM
TronFAQ Wrote:Otherwise the discussion could end up turning into a huge fight about the merits of each platform.

I think it reasonable to suggest that the inhabitants of Tron Sector can criticize the various platforms without a slugfest ensuing.

Also, there is a logical connection between my frustration and yours. I will happily submit that the PC is the more advanced platform. Because the PC is infinitely customizable, the capabilities are inherently superior. However, the casual gamer will likely lack the resources or skills to adapt their system to each and every new game. We live in a culture motivated by convenience. As long as one platform is reliably ready for play out of the box and the other is not, the trend for market priority will continue to shift towards the version that is most convenient.

Product always gravitates to the money. If the source of money shifts, so does the product.

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