completely 100% agree with ya! firstly i too hate MMORPGs, only a lot more . in the very close future, all will remain of the PC games market is MMOGs for obssesive retards, FPS for multiplayer freaks, and SIMs for nerds - and not a trace of single player in any of them.

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That is very true. The PC has a long running history of awesome games ranging from RPG, FPS, RTS, 3rd person perspective, Top Downs, etc...

(interesting that you mentioned Knights of the Republic because I just found KOTR II for five bucks at EB and I missed out on it when it was released).

My rant is mainly about online gaming that is strictly online without much (if any) single player option. A good example is the BattleFront games... Mainly BT: 2142. It's a great game to play and playing online is so awesome but there is hardly any single player to it other than four maps. I've seen a lot of this trend growing in the PC world of games.

I love PC games above anything else, it's just that it's hard to find good single player games these days.

However "Unreal Tournament III" is a game that is giving the best of both worlds. The UT games have always been famous for adding a really good SP experience alongside their MP portion of the games. UT3 is suppose to focus more on the SP experience this time around than they ever did before... so kudos to Epic..

However, I did find a really good FPS I picked up a few weeks ago that I really like.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

Great game. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for some more FPS single player games that are coming out this year and make a list... and post them here in the forums.

As for single player RPGs... Phantasy Star Universe was the last one I played that had a lot of SP content, but sadly the game was overly repetitious and the game felt too linear.

I just hope they bring GTA 4 to the PC. I think they will because it sells well on the PC.

Just wait. There are new and potentially awesome SP experiences just around the corner.

Bioshock, anyone?

How about Fallout 3?

The aforementioned UT3 looks awesome - especially since I have a PhysX card!

Speaking of PhysX, CellFactor: Revolution and Warmonger - Operation: Downtown Destruction, two PhysX-heavy FPSs, are just around the corner and are being offered for free!

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. also looks very cool. I need to pick that up.

MMORPGs are good, but I do hate the fact that they charge you about £10 to play the game monthly and then ontop of that they have the cheek to charge you £30 to buy the disk in order to play it!

Unless your playing EVE Online.

MMORPGs have their up sides too, okay when you ignore the monthly costs some of them are pritty easy to play. If you've played "StarWars: Knights of the old republic" then you can pritty much play the majority of the MMORPGs out there.

To get a feel as for what EVE online is like, just go out there and grab a copy of "Nexus: The Jupiter Incident"

There are some FREE MMORPGs out there such as "Guild wars" I do have that but I kinda stopped playing it seeing as I was more interested in EVE Online at the time. There is another space MMORPG comming out which may be partly free.

That is, the basics are free but the larger ships are not. This game does not use skills and handles alot more like a flight sim than a turn based rpg. Its called "Infinity: The Quest for Earth" (http://www.fl-tw.com/Infinity/)

Out later this year I think, I'll be signing up for that if it is free Personally what I like about it is the fact that its more than likely to be able to have a few people stationed on one ship (pilot/gunner/fighters)

Yes you have to pay for MMORPGs but look at it this way. You buy a single player rpg, play it for a few weeks maybe a month or two and you complete it. Then you gotta go out pay another £30 for a brand new RPG game. While with a MMO, you can casually jump back and forth and always have something to do. I've been playing EVE Online for over a year now. And I am still interested in it, okay I dont have the biggest baddest ship as most people who have been playing as long as I have. But I think it is still interesting, I mean I've only went PVP once or twice in that year.

But for all of you who have not played an MMO what I reccomend is this. Download a 30 day trial of the game, you will get to see what these games are all about. With something games like EVE and RF Online 30 days will get you up to a decent level if you play it casually.

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TronFAQ Wrote: Game companies are slowly trying to get PC gamers to "pay to play" just like console owners already do, with fees to play MMORPGs. Either that, or they're slipping advertising into games (e.g. BF 2142). This is wrong, wrong, wrong. Evil. Insidious. Disgusting. I won't stand for it, and I won't buy games that support these practices. The more people accept these, the more they will come to be the norm.

I agree with you on the "pay to play" and inserting advertising IN to the actual game itself. They've been advertising in films for a long time, and will likely take it further in games. It sucks.

I fear it will continue to grow though. Most gamer are younger folks - college age or younger (at least I think that's correct). Younger folks are more open and accepting to this kind of practice. Since it is unlikely there will be much of a backlash (aside from small pockets), I think the practice will continue to grow. Sucks.

BUT some smart gaming company will take notice of all us folks who are turned off by this crap and they'll be all to happy to take advantage of the situation by offering us exactly what WE want. Then everything old is new again... again.

Well, if you like RPGs, why not pick up one of the Might & Magic games? if you can find any of them they should be quite cheap. totally worth the purchase they are!

I came across this podcast that fits in nicely with the "pay to play on PCs" discussion . . .

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/040607.mp3
The part relevant to our discussion starts at about the 39:00 mark. Tim Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic talk about the upcoming Games for Windows Live, which is Xbox Live brought to Windows on the PC. (I'm not sure if GFW Live is going to be Vista exclusive or not.)

GFW Live is going to have the same Silver and Gold level memberships as on Xbox Live, where Silver is free and Gold is paid. If you already have an Xbox Live Gold account, you don't have to pay extra. But if you don't have an Xbox Live account, expect to start paying to play online if you want a good experience.

Because the guys at Epic revealed that Microsoft plans to make Silver so crappy, that you'll want to pay to get Gold. Microsoft wants to prevent Epic from putting in features in their games like Voice Chat, Friends Lists, etc. at Silver level. They want those to be Gold only. And Epic is not happy about it, because these have always been free until now with all their games, and suddenly they won't be any more.

The good news, at least, is that Microsoft agrees new maps, games modes, and patches should always be free to download on the PC side. While Xbox owners do often have to pay to download additional content.

Well you know what's weird . . . if you read the press release for Games for Windows Live: Microsoft claims that voice chat, friends lists, etc. will be a part of Silver. Yet when you listen to that podcast, the guys at Epic are worried that they won't be a part of Silver.

Huh? What gives. Epic must know something we don't.

Oh yeah, GFW Live will be Vista only. So it won't really affect anyone who wants to stick with XP at this time. But I'm concerned that more and more games will either become Vista only, or they'll have reduced features if you run them on XP because of GFW Live.

TronFAQ Wrote: Oh yeah, GFW Live will be Vista only. .

This is my main (and now redundant) fear. MS seems to pull their lightsabers out again and tell us that our prev. OS software/games will not work on Vista so, "..get with the times...".... and I hate this.

Remember back in 199X when we were so engrossed in Windows 3.x and all of a sudden we couldn't run our software on Win 95? I know this isn't the same case but I'm starting to feel as if MS is pulling it again.

Look... I'm not an anti-MicroSoft jerk like most of these primitives that you hear about, but I do have a lot of grief with MS from back in the past. I love what they are doing with their OS's but I'm upset that I have to start over with a clean slate.

Nevertheless, this may not have to be the case. I haven't checked out Vista yet so I don't have any grounds to say anything... but the rumors I've heard doesn't put it in the lime light... so far...

I don't mean to be premature at this point... Let me come back to this in a distand thread when I have Vista experience because I could be very wrong about the subject...