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laphtiya
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9 planets out 12 planets in?

on Friday, August, 18, 2006 7:08 PM
Looks like our solar system might get bigger. There (whoever they are lol) are thinking about finally giving some disputed space objects planet status. Read all about it here:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planets-20060816.html
I think its about time seeing as Nasa has no actual Definition of a planet :-p which is strange. Some scientists dont even class Jupiter to be a planet they claim its either a failed star or just too damn big. So whats your views on this?



 
Hikaru.EXE
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Re: 9 planets out 12 planets in?

on Friday, August, 18, 2006 8:42 PM
Woah 12 planets, so Pluto is now a Binary Planet? Interesting... At least it wasn't like y2k or anything...

*shivers*

..y2k..


 
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on Friday, August, 18, 2006 8:49 PM
Interesting.

I remember there being talk of a potential 10th planet some years ago... probably in the late 80's. At the time, they were referring to it as planet X. I don't know whatever became of that. Perhaps it was deemed as not planet worthy? Or perhaps it was just a phantom spot in space that just looked like a planet for a while until they figured out there was some dust on the telescope lens.

I'm not sure asteroids should be classified as planets. If they are, that would be pretty bad. Think about it - the classic video game Asteroids would have to be renamed Planets... somehow that just doesn't flow well for a game title. Or at least it would be odd just spinning around blasting planets and the occasional UFO thingies.

I've always thought of planets of giant spheres of matter (very close to sphere in shape) orbiting a star. I've always thought of moons as giant spheres of matter orbiting a planet, but that were smaller in size than the planet itself that it orbits.

Irregularly shaped objects like asteroids and other large things don't strike me as planet-like.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with for a definition since I clearly remember learning the definition of a planet in science class a long, long time ago. Were our text books wrong?

This is interesting - from Wikipedia.com:
matter in orbit around a star. As yet there is no formal definition for the term, but based on a proposed resolution by the IAU, a planet is a body that directly orbits a star and is large enough for its gravitational forces to overcome rigid body forces to form a round or near-round shape. However, a body that is massive enough to undergo the fusion of hydrogen in its core is considered a star and not a planet, although there remains debate over those objects sustaining deuterium fusion.

Based on historical consensus, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) lists nine planets in our solar system, though this number is likely to change to twelve should the IAU general assembly approve the proposed official definition in a vote scheduled for August 24th.

Traditionally, a distinction has been drawn between planets proper, and large asteroids (which have been called minor planets). However, the dividing line between these bodies has become increasingly problematic due to the discovery of bodies in the outer solar system that approach, and in at least one case exceed, the size of the smallest traditional planets.

Maybe our text books didn't mention that planets had to be sphere-like in shape. Hmm.




 
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Re: 9 planets out 12 planets in?

on Friday, August, 18, 2006 10:30 PM


I think it's about time this matter got cleared up, and I wouldn't mind having to adjust my thinking to 12 planets instead of 9. (I just hope they don't keep the name "Xena" for one of them, though.)

However! The problem with the new defintion of planets that's being proposed, is that it would result in over 50 objects in the solar system becoming eligible for planet status. Which then becomes a bit absurd.

I don't know what the solution is. Maybe the smallest size should be increased, to avoid large asteroids and whatnot from being re-classified as planets.

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Jademz
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on Friday, August, 18, 2006 11:08 PM
I was looking at this topic before, I think that it's probable that the formation of objects in space should fit into different categories, for example, planets that formed in more direct contact with the early sun's huge electromagnetic radiation, which made those planets stick, and depending on how much interstallar material they were subject to (like tree rings indicating annual rainfall), and those that may have formed in a different phenomenon, such as "evaporated" materials, and "outflows" from planetary material that was moved in formation of the solar system. Then, the primordial objects which float in the gravity of the solar system, and all that phenomenon. I know all this stuff is explained, in formal terms, but I just say what I think. It doesn't seem to be contradictory, to call it what it is.


 
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on Saturday, August, 19, 2006 3:02 AM
I think they should just agree on what the definition of a planet is and then add/remove any celestial objects that would fall into that category, as appropriate.

Although I was taught there are 9 planets, I don't want to be stubborn for stubborn's sake and say there should always be 9 in our solar system -- and never 12 or 50 -- or that Pluto should always be a planet. Although it is a bit saddening that the foundation of what I know and what I was taught is about to crumble, I don't feel I'd be right to protest just so I can hold on to 'what we were taught in the olden days.'

My feelings are that science isn't about making exceptions to definitions. A definition should be firmly established and the objects classified per that definition. If that means our solar system will have 50 planets, then so be it. The only thing I'd personally question (if it came to that) is whether or not the definition they're creating is truly what it should be.


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laphtiya
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on Saturday, August, 19, 2006 5:56 AM
Traahn Wrote:
Although I was taught there are 9 planets, I don't want to be stubborn for stubborn's sake and say there should always be 9 in our solar system -- and never 12 or 50 -- or that Pluto should always be a planet. Although it is a bit saddening that the foundation of what I know and what I was taught is about to crumble, I don't feel I'd be right to protest just so I can hold on to 'what we were taught in the olden days.'

See now thast whats wrong with science today, we assume we know everything I mean why cant there be more than 9 planets in the solar system? Just because every kid has been taught that there is 9?

I know asteriods shouldnt be classed as planets but you got to admit Ceres looks more like a planet than an Asteroid. I mean appart from the other 3 which they might add there are atleast 6 others awaiting planet status. Personally I think this is a good thing it shows that science is all about progress again. I mean we assume that relitivety is a known fact when actually it has only been proven to work on the small scale. Which is why nassa has spent millions on this probe to look for signs which prove relitivity.

I mean you get the same attitude from most scientists today which goes kind of like this:

You cant travel faster than light.
There are no more elements to descover in the nuiverse.
There is no life on other planets.

and so on all things which have not been proven or cannot be dissproven. Science today assumes that if no evidance exists to prove it then it must not be true.

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on Saturday, August, 19, 2006 12:33 PM
laphtiya Wrote:
I mean you get the same attitude from most scientists today which goes kind of like this:


There are so many people who try to make a mark, that you see a group that says one thing, and others saying other things, so the knowledge of who says this stuff is relative, and why they publish that information. Structure and the differences in the scientific community is chaotic, because people just want to see reason, and uniformity, but that's just a blind spot in many cases.

I'd wonder... if they structured the question to the public in such a manner as to act like they need a rationale, so journalists, and so on, can keep thier day jobs, and everyone goes home happy.

Ok, so it sounds like hollywood... but the point is, some publications are very informal, and there's alot of facts missed, so you hear what may become opinionated, because that's thier objective.



 
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on Saturday, August, 19, 2006 1:11 PM
laphtiya Wrote:
There is no life on other planets.

Hrm. I guess I always figured the general consensus on that one was that life probably DOES exist on other planets given the infinite number of planets that probably exist. However it does not exist in a form that would be able to contact or visit us.


 
laphtiya
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Re: 9 planets out 12 planets in?

on Sunday, August, 20, 2006 1:01 PM
Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:
laphtiya Wrote:
There is no life on other planets.

Hrm. I guess I always figured the general consensus on that one was that life probably DOES exist on other planets given the infinite number of planets that probably exist. However it does not exist in a form that would be able to contact or visit us.


I agree with you I was just saying that, thats is the view of alot of scientists. I think that its stupid to assume that there is no life on other planets want proof? were here aint we?


 
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