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DaveTRON
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Superman Returns

on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 1:48 AM
I was wondering what the going opinions are on Superman Returns.

I saw the Look, Up In The Sky special they did and I am looking forward to buying it on DVD on the 20th.

I am getting more and more excited by what I see, even though I was dissapointed by a few things early on.

I am really thinking this is going to be a winner. I really want it to be, I loved Superman 1, 2 and 4.

I went to Best Buy today and bought Superman 1 and 2 for $7.95 each on sale. I can't believe I never did this before today.

Anyway, what do all of you think? Hit or Miss?

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Nikster
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on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 1:54 AM
I'm really hoping it's a 'hit'...I liked the other 4 movies (yes, even Superman III )

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Re: Superman Returns

on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 2:01 AM
I don't hate Superman III, I just prefer not to think of it as a part of the sequence. It's too much of a parody to me.

I've never seen the entire film Supergirl, so I can't say how I feel about it in the Superman film world. I have heard nothing good though.

On Ain't It Cool News the reviews seem positive so far. I really hope it's good.

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on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 4:30 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing it very much.

For me, the first Superman movie is the best super-hero movie ever made, I would have prefered it if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II.

Superman III was ok in parts but although Superman IV had good intentions, the final product didn't work for me.

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Re: Superman Returns

on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 12:07 PM
If anyone watches it on the first day, can anyone tell me if the Spider-Man 3 preview rumors are true?



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TheReelTodd
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Re: Superman Returns

on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 1:10 PM
I won't be seeing Superman Returns. I'm sure it will be a big hit and thrill the masses (mostly made up of people who weren't alive or too young to have seen the Superman films of the late 70's/early 80's). I'm just tired of Hollywood remaking the same films over every 20 to 30 years. I'm not saying the remakes are not any good, they just don't really excite me. Been there, done that, they've got better special FX and the film updated to work in today's culture (as opposed to what worked in the 70's).

I'm usually alone in these sentiments. Oh well. I asked around the office, and everyone is excited about it. I asked why and they all said because it looks like fun. I guess that's all that really matters - that a film be fun, and I'm sure this one will be. I think sometimes I just need more though.

Perhaps I'll go see "Superman Returns Again" in 2036, when they remake it again. By then, I'm sure the experience will be a lot better than just looking at the film on a flat, silver screen.

Ok, I'll shut my mouth about the remake now. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade.

BTW - I loved Superman III. Perhaps it worked for me because I was still pretty young (12 I think). There were cheesy parts to it (that I thought were cheese even back then), but I enjoyed the super computer thing and seeing Superman fight himself. The evil Superman should have had an evil goatee though.

Favorite Superman film was Superman II. The wife liked that one the most too. Never saw 4 - it looked really bad to me (from the commercials I saw). Never had interest in seeing it. Never saw Supergirl either. I kind of wanted to, but never got around to it. Supergirl herself, or should I say Foxygirl, looked pretty sweet too, if I recall.



 
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Re: Superman Returns

on Sunday, June, 18, 2006 4:24 PM
Supergirl was definitely a cheesy movie. ;

...I don't really remember the Superman movies too well. ._. It's been a very long time since I saw all of them... probably like, way back in the 80's when my sister would make me watch a ton of movies.

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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 12:51 AM
To Todd: The movie "Superman Returns" has a (as far as I know) original storyline, independent of the original Superman movies. The reason why they are "redoing" it, is because Superman is one of the most iconic superheroes, next to Batman and possibly Spider-man. Spider-Man is doing great, Batman Begins was amazing, and now they are trying to kickstart Superman again.

Anyway I think it'll be good. My two cents, though.


 
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 12:59 AM
I really want to see this new Superman. Looking forward to it.

In looking up the director, Bryan Singer, on imdb.com, I see this entry for 2009: "Untitled Superman Returns Sequel (2009) (announced) (producer)." Sweet! (I know Todd won't be too happy about that, though)

PrinceAuron: I don't know how original the storyline can be when everything we see in the previews is pretty much the same story as Superman I, imo. We'll see what other 'artistic freedoms' they might introduce, though.

I wouldn't mind if it's the same storyline; it doesn't bother me. I remember having discussions as to whether or not there should be a Tron remake. I'm all for one. I was a minority for that. I wonder why everyone (except for Todd) is okay with what seems to be a Superman remake... ?abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 4:47 AM


From what I can tell, it's more of a sequel to the first two films than a remake. It does retell some events from the originals (because it's been so long since they were released), but much of the story is new. Basically, it pretends that the third and fourth films don't exist.

It looks like it will probably be good. We'll see soon enough . . .

This seems like it could be a good case study for a Tron sequel. It introduces new things, while paying homage to the originals.

Again, provided it's as good as I think (hope) it will be.

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spiritquest
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 5:51 AM
I'm definitley up for seeing this, and very excited about it. The story is set after the original superman stories, and charts an absence of the Man of Steels presence on earth.

The efects look hot and as Bryan Singer is directing it, I'm excited to see what he does. I love what he did with X-Men and Usual Suspects !

There is another element that has me completely stoked. It will be the first fetaure film not only to undergo an IMAX digital remastering process, but also in select IMAX theatres, approx 20 minutes of footage have been converted into 3D. The movie will have prompts to place the polarised specs on during the 3d sequences.

Its never been doen before, imagine viewmaster the size of an imax screen.

Suprman I and II are for me the most memorable. The trailers look good, I believe they've managed to unearth some Marlon Brando voice clips that were never used in Superman I and will be using them in 'Returns'.

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MutoidMan
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 1:04 PM
From what I understand it's Superman Returns and not Superman Begins a la the latest Batman movie because they acknowledge that the first two Superman movies were great (very unlike all of the previous Batman movies) and that there is no need to restart the Superman saga from the beginning again.

I've heard that this movie picks up several years after Superman II and assumes that III and IV never happened- which is fine by me. This is why Lex knows about Superman's fortress and what lies within. So Superman is not being redone, it is being continued.

Notice how they use the original music in the trailer? Why mess with perfection, right?

The trailer does have me stoked about the new movie, and Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor just screams to me that they are serious about doing this right.

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DaveTRON
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 1:25 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:From what I understand it's Superman Returns and not Superman Begins a la the latest Batman movie because they acknowledge that the first two Superman movies were great (very unlike all of the previous Batman movies) and that there is no need to restart the Superman saga from the beginning again.

I've heard that this movie picks up several years after Superman II and assumes that III and IV never happened- which is fine by me. This is why Lex knows about Superman's fortress and what lies within. So Superman is not being redone, it is being continued.

Notice how they use the original music in the trailer? Why mess with perfection, right?

The trailer does have me stoked about the new movie, and Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor just screams to me that they are serious about doing this right.

Did I mention I look forward to seeing this in IMAX 3D? No? Well I do!

While I liked Batman Begins, I didn't love it. I think the first two Keaton/Burton Batmans are great films, but I can see why they needed to restart too. I liked the Ras Al Ghul storyline and I think the series has potential to get better in part two. I just consider it a different Batman series, alternate universe, whatever. There are plenty of incarations of The Bat these days to choose from.

Superman on the other hand... I have love dthat Singer wanted to continue the story from 1 and 2 since I heard of it.

I was concerned about earlier report of how they'd do it with Nic Cage and some of the crazy ideas floated about. If Tim Burton had ruined Superman I'd have had to hurt him. Love Tim, but hands off my Supes.

Singer is the right guy for the job. While I have heard it's a Richard Donner love fest movie, I think that is good because I know there will be plenty of Singer in it too. The visuals that snuck out early scared me, but the current press looks good and I am excited to go back to that world.

I love Kate Bosworth, and she's the one piece that doesn't look quite right to me. Spacey mirrors Hackman, Routh mirrors Reeve, Frank Langella is ok for Perry. Jimmy, well, he's periphery anyway. But Bosworth is far prettier and much too young to mirror Kidder. I think that's a place where it breaks for me.

We'll see. I love to be wrong about these things, and I might be able to just accept it and move forward.

I have very high flying hopes for the man in blue, and I want more to come.

DaveTRON

 
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 1:56 PM
TheReelTodd Wrote:I won't be seeing Superman Returns. I'm sure it will be a big hit and thrill the masses (mostly made up of people who weren't alive or too young to have seen the Superman films of the late 70's/early 80's). I'm just tired of Hollywood remaking the same films over every 20 to 30 years. I'm not saying the remakes are not any good, they just don't really excite me. Been there, done that, they've got better special FX and the film updated to work in today's culture (as opposed to what worked in the 70's).

I'm usually alone in these sentiments.

I'm with you Todd ! When I first heard of the movie last year I groaned. Do we really need more Superman movies? I love the first two, the second one in particular, and would have preferred that Hollywood simply let the series stand as is. Why not show the originals for limited 4 week engagements or something like that?

However when you've got a chance to make 100 million plus I can see why the studio's will remake anything and everything :^(.

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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 4:40 PM
DaveTRON Wrote:I love Kate Bosworth, and she's the one piece that doesn't look quite right to me. Spacey mirrors Hackman, Routh mirrors Reeve, Frank Langella is ok for Perry. Jimmy, well, he's periphery anyway. But Bosworth is far prettier and much too young to mirror Kidder. I think that's a place where it breaks for me.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for the parts about the first two Batman movies being great films and Bosworth not mirroring Kidder.

In my opinion all of the previous Batman movies were horrible, with each being progressively more horrible than the last. I know many people love the Batman movies, but I'm just not one of them.

As for Bosworth, thank goodness she doesn't mirror Kidder! Even as a little kid I could never understand Supes pining for Kidder's Lois. She was just nowhere near as good-looking as Reeve's Superman and it produced a wierd, forced on-screen chemistry as far I was concerned. Bosworth is not bad at all, but they could've used a taller actress. She looks a little too short in the trailers, but at least she's pretty.

I look forward to a great Superman movie, and I hope there are more to come. Now that the technology is here for really convincing special effects which open up the storytelling possibilities, it's time they made more Superman movies and I'm glad it's happening.

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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 4:54 PM
KiaPurity Wrote:Supergirl was definitely a cheesy movie. ;


Yeah...it was cheezy, but it was fun

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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 7:33 PM
TimothyC Wrote:I'm with you Todd ! When I first heard of the movie last year I groaned. Do we really need more Superman movies? I love the first two, the second one in particular, and would have preferred that Hollywood simply let the series stand as is. Why not show the originals for limited 4 week engagements or something like that?

However when you've got a chance to make 100 million plus I can see why the studio's will remake anything and everything :^(.

-Timothy

Ok - we'll sit this one out together.

Actually, PrinceAuron hit the nail on the head with this remark:
The reason why they are "redoing" it, is because Superman is one of the most iconic superheroes, next to Batman and possibly Spider-man.
Aside from the obvious the "let's make more money by making this... AGAIN!" theme, Superman is indeed a popular and well loved comic book character. With the huge fan base he has, and many new fans (born after the previous Superman films), the studio is just giving them what they want so to say. Nothing wrong with that.

Traahn Wrote:...I wonder why everyone (except for Todd) is okay with what seems to be a Superman remake... ?

I'm not against it - this isn't like the TRON thing. I'm just... well, I've been there, done that. That's all, more or less. In the late 70's, we had King Kong... and Superman and Freaky Friday and The Poseidon Adventure (that was early 70's actually)... and here we are in the mid... whatever this decade is called, with... oh, a Freaky Friday remake (a couple years ago), a Poseidon remake, a King Kong remake and Superman remake. Ok, I know the King Kong of the 70's was a remake too, but you get my point. Every generation, they keep recycling the films that were made the last generation. New visual effects, updated dialogue and subplots, etc. I yawn at stuff like that. That is not to say that these remakes are crap - not at all. They look like fun. But for me, I've already had this fun. It doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not against, I'm just not excited about it - don't care for it. That's all.

Nikster Wrote:
KiaPurity Wrote:Supergirl was definitely a cheesy movie. ;


Yeah...it was cheezy, but it was fun


And she was a hot Supergirl!

I just looked her up on google images. Somehow I remember her looking hotter back in the early 80's when that was made. Never saw the film, but I rememer the commercials. She still looks good though (I mean when she was Supergirl)!





 
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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 9:14 PM
Traahn Wrote:I remember having discussions as to whether or not there should be a Tron remake. I'm all for one. I was a minority for that. I wonder why everyone (except for Todd) is okay with what seems to be a Superman remake... ?

TRON doesn't need to be remade.

Superman doesn't need to be remade, which is why Superman Returns is not a remake, but a sequel to parts I and II. I really like the way they are approaching this as a sequel, which acknowledges the greatness of parts I and II and at the same time gives them a chance to forget about the iffy parts III and IV.

I've never seen Supergirl so I can't comment on it, though I hear the general consensus is that it sucked.

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Re: Superman Returns

on Monday, June, 19, 2006 9:22 PM
Little fun fact.


Here in Southern Illinois, we have a river town called Metropolis, IL... It's known as the "Home of Superman" and every year they hold Superman conventions.

The actress that played Louis Lane from the 80's films once showed up along with past actors who had played Superman in one time or another.

Here is a link.

http://www.supermancollectors.com/town.html

It's not really a huge place... more like a very small (but growing) river town... They got a riverboat casino that I visit once in a blue moon... It's another one of their big attractions...


But I live closer to Chester, Illinois where Popeye was created.

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on Tuesday, June, 20, 2006 1:08 AM
I wonder if the scenes they show of baby/child superman in the trailer are just flashbacks to his powers being introduced. Must be ... or they just blast through his childhood in 2 minutes to show his 'coming to be' superman.

Tron and Superman need to be remade.




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