While searching for something completely unrelated, I came across this concept for a fan edit of Tron:

Tron 1.0.1 Wednesday, March 22nd, 2006 Released in 1982, Tron is an animated feature film from the Walt Disney Corporation. This film combines live action with CGI and traditional cell animation. The artistic result is way ahead of it’s time; indeed we can safely argue that Tron is the visual forerunner of the cyberpunk genre. The “computer world” of Tron has inspired the alternative realities of more recent works such as Sega’s “Rez” and “The Matrix”. Tron’s plot is a thinly veiled allegory for the great debate between operating system pioneers Linus Torvalds and Andrew Tannenbaum; spesifically the eternal battle between advocates of monolithic operating system design vs micorkernel. Tron’s producers take a very one-sided view of this argument – the monolithic “Master Control Program” is clearly the bad guy, however in their credit, this was merely the received wisdom of the age. Regardless of the computer-science flaws, the film is visually superb entertainment more than twenty years after it’s original release. That isn’t to say the film has dated; It certainly has – while the animated sections remain compelling, the live action segments set in the real world appear ludicrous and clumsy. They lack the panache of the virtual-reality scenes and only serve to provide a somewhat redundant set-up for the entirely self-contained animated sequences that form the body of the film. The live-action epilogue is also baffling in it’s redundancy. I suspect the film producers were trying to provide some kind of revenge themed closure, in which our hero replaces the corrupt manager of the company; Once again, this live action sequence detracts from the final sequence of the animated section where we see “Flynn” rise god-like from the spinning wreck of the “master-control program”. We can only assume he has made it, but his absence from the cyberscape after that moment leaves us in doubt. One of the film’s main strengths is it’s sound-track. The score was composed and performed by Wendy Carlos (an associate of the recently deceased synth-pioneer Bob Moog), with help from the London Symphony Orchestra. It’s evocative, subtle, original and entirely spoilt by a number of unimaginative prog-rock tracks by a band called “Journey”. Fortunately there are only two sections of prog-rock in the film, both of which are somewhat redundant. Perhaps by now you have twigged, that it’s my intent to correct some of these flaws. In a nutshell, we have an visually superb film spoilt by some unnecessary, badly-filmed live-action sequences. Thanks to affordable digital editing software I can now take my DVD copy of this film and completely strip it of all of it’s flaws, leaving a shorter, more challenging and ambiguous film. When you remove the “real world” from Tron you get a completely different effect. Without any orientation, we do not nececarily know from the beginning what the nature of these characters who inhabit the virtual world are. We see Clu apprehended and apparently crushed by a “recogniser” at the start of the film. In the original version Clu is destroyed and replaced by his alter-ego. In my version he is merely thrown into the “game-grid” as a result of his capture. Naturally that also explains his colour change. In Tron, the MCP’s agents are predominantly coloured red, whereas the fugitive programs are pale-blue. Of courese, if the real-world does not exist then how do we explain Clu/Flynn’s change of manerism and his claims to be a user. Before his apprehension he makes no reference to userdom (the equivalent to divinity in the computer-world). Is Clu delusional or perhaps some kind of computer-world mesiah. My reduced ending also adds a delicious ambiguity to what in the original version is shown to be a clean escape. Clu/Flynn is propelled upwards in the disintegration of the MCP. He is not shown<

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:*snip* To say "I could have done it better" is egotistical and self-serving.

Yeah... but the key thing to remember that this is a fan's perception and not to be taken all that seriously. Like when I precieve Tron from a manga/anime perspective, it's just my views on it.

However, I really would have liked to have seen what he did with it. I think if it falls unde rthe catagory of fanworks, I think he could put it up. I mean fanart and fanstuff if you really want to push things can be considered illegal. But most people/companies/ects tend to look the other way because it's fan work and shows that it's being appreciated more or less. ^^;

~Kamui.EXE

id check it out!

I agree with Kamui. I think it falls under category of fan material and should be allowed to be distributed. But I know the laws on these things can be complicated. Anyway, I've seen a few different fan edits before. The best one was "The Phantom Edit" which actually made me like the first of the new Star Wars films, and did the amazing, made Jar Jar a decent addition to the mythos. This particular fan edit offers up something I had not considered, the perspective of our reality as myth rather than fact without the confirmation built in for the viewers. What we have when we watch Tron is the direct and informed knowledge of the realm of the gods. When Ram and Tron and anyone else refer to this race of mythical creators, we sit content in our knowledge that their conception of the supreme being is simply our own confused reality. We know who Flynn is and therefore we know why he is capable of his incredible feats. This reinterpretation forces us to view the film through teh eyes of the programs themselves, and entertaining notion that cannot easily be dismissed.

A comic did something like this incredibly well recently. The Ultimate Avengers. This is a revision of the Avengers comic that has existed since the 1960's. In the original comic there is a character named Thor. He is THE Thor from Norse myth. He is a god. In the Ultimate Avengers, Thor CLAIMS to be a god. No one knows for sure and most just assume he's insane. This extends beyond the characters in the story and to the readers themselves. There is a thrill of the unknown in this style of storytelling that appeals to me greatly.

I too like the contrast of real world and computer in the original. It was a major theme of the original film and this re-interpretation loses this message to a degree. Although really, you can still achieve the same metaphor without showing the contrasting dimensions, it's just a bit trickier and would likely have to be part of the original intent. Seemingly, the end result of this version would not be a major difference in structure, but instead a more ambiguous interpretation of the characters. Which, in regards to methods of storytelling, is neither better or worse, simply different.

And I would not really call this open ended. Not in the sense that it leaves the story unfinished. The point of this type of story is not to tell the ending specifically, but more to allow individual viewer participation.

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lurkinghorror Wrote:I agree with Kamui. I think it falls under category of fan material and should be allowed to be distributed. But I know the laws on these things can be complicated.

If we let laws bug us every single time we wanted to post some fanworks, you'd end up like my poor law teacher/lawyer who's kinda envious of us not being so paranoid about the law.

Lurk, where did you find this? *En-braven'd* I'm going to talk to this guy.

~Kamui.EXE

Kamui Wrote:If we let laws bug us every single time we wanted to post some fanworks, you'd end up like my poor law teacher/lawyer who's kinda envious of us not being so paranoid about the law.

It's a fine line though. By way of an extreme, I've already found the Tron comic available for download, supposedly in the name of "liberating" the art for the fans. On one site it had been downloaded over a thousand times in one day. I've found much of my work available for download. People acquire work like this for free while the companies who produce the work lose money. And I don't mean in the "these were revenues we should have generated" way. I mean this in the "our outgoing expenses are more than our incoming and we will be driven out of business" type way. The laws are written in a manner to protect the copyright holders. Some of these laws may seem offensive, restrictive and pointless when you are on the consumer end. But that is usually due to an understandable lack of on hands experience with the laws in question. When the copyright holder takes a soft line at the laws that restrict the use of the property in question, they help create a legal precedent. Even if the harm is not immediately visible, it does not mean the harm is nonexistent.

That said, I agree with you that fan material must be allowed to flourish. But it is a very fine line. One that I wish the general public had more consideration for.

I would love to see this film though.

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Anyways, I got back from being a pest and still nothing from this guy. I think maybe we can all talk to him or something. Hey! I'm just one person. I think the more people we have, the more likely he'll release it.

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lurkinghorror Wrote: Kamui Wrote:The "liberation" in this sense is way more different than a fanwork. I would think the "liberation" would cause way more damage than a fanwork. I really don't think that line is so extremely fine. I mean you pretty much know when something is a fanwork and what's not, right? So I think a fanedit would be okay. ~Kamui.EXE That said, copyright dilution is a serious matter in all cases. You say that you pretty much know when something is a fan creation and when something is not? No offense intended, but I have to disagree. What separates the two typically? In the eyes of most, it is a matter of quality and distribution. The internet has removed distribution from the equation, and sometimes the work of a fan is superior to that of the professional (as the definition of professional in the art industry itself is nebulous). What separates my comic from being a fan creation and not? As far as I can see, the only tangible difference is that we paid to have the legal right to produce this.

You already hit the nail on the head. Okay. Let's put as what's the difference between my comics (Okay.... I have created short Tron comics in the past so er... yeah....) and yours. The difference is that you have a license and it's offical while mine's unofficial because I'm sans license. Sometimes the work of a fan might be better than the pros (Which I'm not saying it is. But lets pretend some random Joe is this drawing master) it doesn't matter because Joe doesn't have a license and it's unoffical. I don't think superiority of art skills really doesn't come in to the equation here. Besides, if it were a real problem, I would have been sued 100 times over. So far, I have yet to have a bunch of lawyers beating a path to my door.

Let's say we had not paid for the rights for Tron and instead had created the comic under the label of a fan creation (it's happened on many occasions)? Obviously, we would get into legal trouble if we tried to sell it directly as it is now, but lets say that instead, we put it in as content on a subscriber fee based website?

Then how do doujinshi creators get away with it? They make fan based comics/manga and are able to sell it for a profit without problems. Or what about something like Deviant art and their prints thing, or Cafe press? I know that here in Canada, if you're going to do something like that, the copyright holders get at least some of the profit because you have some organization in place I think. Okay.... I definately know there's something for music but I'm not too sure on anything dealing with graphic works. I would think there would be, but I'm not sure. I'm even less sure about the States. You're going to have to clarify this one for me since American laws and stuff isn't 100% my forte.

~Kamui.EXE

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