josh.exe
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Posts: 0 | something terrible
on Monday, May, 02, 2005 8:52 PM
i know most of you probley don't care but at least one will,
THIS IS VERY LONG
The History and Problems of the 65 episode curse began when Michael Eisner initially took over control of Disney in 1984. Disney was on the verge of becoming bankrupt and in fact initially Michael Eisner had a Way of Promoting the Quality Animation that Disney was known for. By introducing Afternoon cartoons made by Disney for the Masses. And it was in this way that the a number of Quality Shows Like Talespin, Ducktales, Darkwing Duck and others were brought to the masses. By putting these shows on for Syndicated purposes.
Eisner's Plan was simple yet in a lot of ways would come back to haunt Disney shows after Disney rallied back from the verge of Oblivion in 1984. He would let shows run on a policy that he created wherein the Show would run for only 65 episodes, or 3 Years or television Seasons, and after which time the show would be retired.. This was the initial basis of his "Disney Afternoon Series that was seen on a lot of syndicated Television channels and the public Reveled in the idea of having Disney Animation on to enjoy...
But like all things Time Changes everything and with the Advent of low cost Cable in the late 1980's and Early 1990's Disney looked for Other venues to take their animation to, and one of them was Cable Television.. Eisner created two Channels for Disney, One the original Disney Channel, where new shows could be put out for the public to enjoy, the other was Toon Disney, a Channel where these shows could also be put on after their run on Syndicated Channels was over...
However, Eisner wasn't looking with Quality in mind... He was looking at the economics of the company... and with that he kept a simple formula. Run a show till it reached 65 Episodes, then if Need be, sell it to syndication channels or allow the show to retire...
This idea was sound on paper, however after Disney started to turn over a Profit, did Eisner see a different purpose for this policy to be in place... the ability to rotate out shows that were not doing so well in ratings, yet saving the company the cost of extending a show provided there was enough ratings..
At this point, no one really complained... that was until 1996...
In 1994, a new show came into the Syndication and was released by Disney and at first no one really worried about the show, but then something happened...
People liked the show ... and it became popular...
What show was this? It was a show that was produced by Disney Animation and was called Gargoyles
However, Eisner thought Gargoyles was risky even though the ratings on Syndicated Television Channels said otherwise... so Eisner at this point did allow the show to go on to a third season on ABC Broadcasting, Which He had acquired in 1994, and this third Season is now known as The Goliath Chronicles.. However ABC Executives complained vehemently to Eisner and eventually after one season and 13 episodes later, was this show cancelled...
Eisner however had changed tactics at this point, he no longer cared about Quality and in fact within 2 years a New Medium for Television Marketing came out...Namely Video Tape and within a Year after that.. Digital Video Discs... or DVD's came out...)
And Eisner found a new medium to exploit by producing shows that were limited to just 65 Episodes, Eisner realized that he could cut costs of producing the shows, while allowing them to be mass produced for later released on DVD's and video..
And it was at this point the Dollar signs flashed in Eisner's Eyes . . . and Greed Set in.
And sure enough Eisner didn't care at this point Ratings, of a Show or who was watching... He thought of one thing... Mass Production... and release of numerous shows...
And between the end of 1997 and now Eisner has been on average cranking out shows at a rate of 1 a year... and just in 2000 the policy yet changed again so that now on Disney Channel Eisner Cranks out 2 New
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Nikster
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Posts: 2,691 | Re: something terrible
on Monday, May, 02, 2005 8:58 PM
I really liked Gargoyles...I wish they still made episodes for it 
I think it's lame that Disney does that. I also think it's lame that all their cartoons are only available for a limited time. I don't think they do that with their live action movies, just their animated ones and I don't think it's cool.
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Posts: 2,939 | Re: something terrible
on Monday, May, 02, 2005 10:40 PM
Dang, I never knew that rule they had for shows. That rule stinks... no no... it doesn't stink... it reaks of utter stupidity. Shows llike that deserve better than a stupid 65 episodes or 3 seson rule. It doesn't make sense cause they could easily profit from the success of a show by letting it run it's course.
Disney still has a soul, but it lies it's animators and artists, not the people like Eisner who run it. It's people like him that are causing Walt's dream to crumble. I've always marveld Disney, their history, animation, and resources. Amazing... here you would expect them to be opening up some more studios, but instead they've closed down most of their 2D animation studios and keep outsourcing more animation from overseas. That just doesn't sound like something Walt would do.
I thought Eisner got canned as a CEO? *Googles* Re-elected back n Feb 2005? That's... strange. I remember the whole anti-Eisner uprising that came about back in 2004. Anyone else find it a little weird he got re-elected?
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josh.exe
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Posts: 0 | Re: something terrible
on Tuesday, May, 03, 2005 7:22 AM
PART TWO: what we can do
First of all, you need to realize our strength lies in numbers. There is not one of us here who can, single handedly, save Kim Possible, or any other show doomed by Eisner, from oblivion. That's why It's important for you to go tell two friends and then they'll tell two friends and we can get enough, organized support. So write letters, and make phone calls, and send emails (although real letters do work better). You can find the addresses below. Also head over to SaveDisney.com . Thank you for your support.
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Dear Mr. Eisner,
I am a fan of the Disney channel animated series "Kim Possible". I am gratified that in your January 5th address, you mentioned the importance that this franchise has to the success of the Walt Disney company. I would like to respectfully suggest that perhaps you are underestimating the potential of this franchise, and suggest that it be allowed to continue beyond the 65 episode limit. I would like to further suggest that the Walt Disney company proceed with a live action movie based on the series, utilizing top notch talent and special effects. Let me explain my rationale.
Kim Possible, being a cheerleader by day and international crime fighter by night, taps into the subconscious desire of young female fans to be empowered - to do vicariously the things that Kim does. This potential has also been tapped in the "Spy Kids" franchise and also the "Agent Cody Banks" franchise. Now that the Spy Kids have wrapped production of the final movie in the series, that fan base needs another outlet. Kim Possible could potentially pick up this fan base, transferring the revenue they generate to the Walt Disney company.
The Kim Possible franchise represents a large investment by the Walt Disney company, and has become a valuable commodity - generating a toy and clothing line. If Kim Possible wraps at the end of 65 episodes, there will be little to encourage continued interest in these product lines, which were quite expensive to develop and are costly to maintain.
Kim Possible also has a large, devoted fan base of adults who are tuned into the subtler aspects of the series - the "gags" aimed at James Bond fans, and at classic TV series of the past. These gags, which go right over the heads of pre-teen viewers, are appreciated by older fans. Not since the television series "Get Smart" has there
been a viable satirical vehicle for the spy / crime fighting genre of movies. By having strategically placed pauses in the action for a bit of nostalgia gag or dialog, the Kim Possible show keeps itself from becoming "campy", and does not take itself too seriously to have a bit of fun. The balance on this is delicate, and the creative team should be kept in tact to continue the balance.
It makes some sense to "wrap" series at 65 episodes, not letting anything become "stale" and lose viewer interest. Certainly, new series such as "Dave the Barbarian" have the potential of becoming hits, but Kim Possible is a proven commodity - a genuine hit - and I feel as a stockholder that the conservative approach here would dictate that the Walt Disney company milk this for all it is worth. There will come a time to end the franchise, but I believe that it has no signs of becoming stale at the present time, and should be allowed to continue until such time as the ratings decline. Certainly, Nickelodeon follows this approach - there is no limit to the number of "SpongeBob SquarePants" or "Fairly Oddparents" episodes - popularity has earned those series the right to continue. Shouldn't the same be said of Kim Possible?
I am aware of an effort by some fans of Kim Possible to continue the series past the 65 episode limit by backing Roy Disney in his opposition to you. This in no way represents all Kim Possible fans, and I apologize for any letters that you might have received on behalf of Kim Possible that seem rude, arrogant, or undermining to your position. The issue here is the continuati
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KiaPurity
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: something terrible
on Tuesday, May, 03, 2005 12:47 PM
Sketch Wrote ang, I never knew that rule they had for shows. That rule stinks... no no... it doesn't stink... it reaks of utter stupidity. Shows llike that deserve better than a stupid 65 episodes or 3 seson rule. It doesn't make sense cause they could easily profit from the success of a show by letting it run it's course.
Disney still has a soul, but it lies it's animators and artists, not the people like Eisner who run it. It's people like him that are causing Walt's dream to crumble. I've always marveld Disney, their history, animation, and resources. Amazing... here you would expect them to be opening up some more studios, but instead they've closed down most of their 2D animation studios and keep outsourcing more animation from overseas. That just doesn't sound like something Walt would do.
I thought Eisner got canned as a CEO? *Googles* Re-elected back n Feb 2005? That's... strange. I remember the whole anti-Eisner uprising that came about back in 2004. Anyone else find it a little weird he got re-elected? |
No kidding. I remember news stories proclaiming that he was canned for good. Anyway, Kim Possible? I kind of stopped watching Disney Cartoons for some reason I don't know.
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