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Lightforce
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Old computers have their own minds?!

on Thursday, July, 29, 2004 4:24 AM
After watching the movie I was very surprised. I loved the "old" graphics style, the red lines of the recognizers & Sark's carrier, the smooth surfaces of the lightcycles and so on. The music was awesome, it was perfect! I just love old computers and everything done by them. I have a real Commodore 64 with 1541 disk drive and a loading booster module (games load up in seconds!), and I also have a 386SX computer running Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0. My 386 is a little bit different, I think it can learn. When I bought it from our school, it had some problems with its system clock. Almost every time I booted, the clock was wrong and I had to reset it. But, after some time, the problems were more rare and now the clock doesn't jump out of time anymore. Another strange thing was, when I got SVGA driver for my 386. I installed it, and the colors seemed out very strange. After I executed a program and then quitted it, the colors changed to a complete mess. But, after some months, the driver seemed to have stabilized itself and now the colors don't change anymore. How can that be? Programs shouldn't be able to alter themselves, am I right? Though, I have noticed a lot of similar program changes on my 386 during the years. I am the Master Control of my 386, I know exactly what it does and how I can fix jammed Windows (power off and back on, tadaa, Windows works again!) and other problems. I also have a database of 40 000 horse pedigrees on that computer! Some people say that old computers are so damn slow. But they aren't! If you use the right kind of programs, designed just for that processor, they can be incredibly fast! My 386 is just perfect for me, the only thing I can complain is the small hard disk space, just 99 megs. It's almost full, and I'm getting a bit desperate...
So, what do you other programs/users think about old computers? Aren't they just great or what?!
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on Thursday, July, 29, 2004 8:37 AM
While it is true that a comp is as good as the user, I've always found mine to be a wee bit glitchy. *Kicks glitches* I can usually over come most of them, but sometimes they can just get annoying.

Old computers are great for nostalgic purposes, but cosidering the lack of space and such, they are usually seldomm great for anything else.

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The Tweaker
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on Thursday, July, 29, 2004 11:09 AM
You make some good points, Lightforce. As long as you don't need to expand, and you're content with the apps from that era, an ancient computer can be a really fun thing to keep around. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
Compucore
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on Thursday, July, 29, 2004 7:00 PM
The Tweaker Wrote:You make some good points, Lightforce. As long as you don't need to expand, and you're content with the apps from that era, an ancient computer can be a really fun thing to keep around.

Yeah thats about sums up about old computers at times. Just good ol'days of using them and seeing how they worked. I still have an old and still usable computer over here from NeXt called turbo next I beileve. Actually two of them with three 17 inch B&W monitors. I wish I had kepted my original XT over here. Had to bring it to the computer gods and buried it in a computer recycling center. I remember when running my XT in the early 90's when 640K was way more than enough for gaming and the what ever else you had to do. Even with the games back then when you had them on the good 5.25 flippy disks. I still have a few those hanging around. I don/t know if anyone else remembers the 8 inch diskettes that were out back then. After the good old punch cards readers.


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on Thursday, July, 29, 2004 7:16 PM
Lightforce Wrote:After watching the movie I was very surprised. I loved the "old" graphics style, the red lines of the recognizers & Sark's carrier, the smooth surfaces of the lightcycles and so on...

You know, I saw in the theater at age 11 in the summer of '82. The look and style of that film (especially the true CG elements) totally blew me away, and STILL does to this day.

I can honestly say, that the visuals in TRON - the look of everything, the style, even the motion - with that computery like movement everything had was and still is one of the coolest applications EVER of computer animation.

Funny thing - I even remember watching the evolution of computer animation as they started to try and make things look more real and I was angry because they were looking less TRON (in other words, less cool to me) as they "improved" on computer imagery. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE that anything can be realized with modern CGI, but I miss the old (and cooler than ever) "perfect" look and style of the TRON CGI in today's art and CG applications.

Old computers. I still have my vintage Commodore 64 and Apple //c computers. My Commodore was HEAVILY utilized back in the day - even had a cool modem that offered a whopping 900 baud rate! Ooooo. Sold that though But still got everything else for it! Disk drive too!

My Apple //c was my favorite though. I got about a year or so after my Commodore. The colors (graphics) weren't as well developed as the Commodore, nor was the audio, but that thing ROCKED! I just had it unpacked a few weeks back, and rummaged through some old vector animations made with my favorite animation program - "Fantavision"! The computer still works great, though the keyboard has stiffened up and the plastic color changed But it otherwise functions perfectly! I was practically ATTACHED to that thing for YEARS!

I also have almost all of my original vintage hand-held games from the early 80's. I have Tomytronic TRON, Tomytronic Pac Man, Kingman, Merlin (from the 70's), Tomytronic 3D game "Planet Zeon" - these ALL still work! I had a cool Space Invaders game too, but a "friend" of mine relieved it of my possession many years ago And of course, I still have my original Atari 2600 (though it is at my Dad's house).

The classic technology of yester year is GREAT to me. As much as I LOVE those old and wonderful things, I always look forward to the NEXT generation of technology... and keep wondering when technology will catch up with my anticipations of technology... if that makes any sense.
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on Friday, July, 30, 2004 2:01 AM
Good to hear there's someone else who likes old computers too! My Commodore has about 100 games or more, but they are a bit dull and very hard to play. I'd be very pleased to get "new" games for my C64, but there's not much of them for sale nowadays. That C64 has also the matrix printer, which also works perfectly. Due to loss of space in my room the C64 is now buried in a box in a storeroom. But it's there, and it can be taken back to use any minute!
I use my 386 almost every day, updating that database of 40 000 horse pedigrees, writing letters, drawing and so on. I think newer computers are becoming more and more complex, and it's hard to know what they are really doing. My 386 is so simple, I know every file it has, and the Windows 3.1 is the best ever programmed. It never falls! I have experienced the faults of 2000 and XP, and they make me angry. Computers get better and faster, but programs get more fragile for errors all the time! Why is that?!
I enjoy playing with 386, I have Lotus III rally game and it's the best rally game I've ever played, with enjoyable music too! I also have F-15 Strike Eagle, the best flying simulator ever! I don't care about the new 3D-animation, sometimes the characters move in a very stupid way and they don't look real at all. Old Commodore's game characters looked more realistic to me!
By the way, I saw first time about a month ago, when I bought the Tron 20th anniversary DVD-pack from an internet auction. I'm now 20 years old, and I fell in love at first sight!


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KiaPurity
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on Friday, July, 30, 2004 3:59 PM
My C64 thinks I'm a weirdo.

(check my C64 comic to see what I mean. >_>;;; )

Yeah, I acquired my second c64 off of ebay (my first was given away... grrr)

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IsoLine
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Re: Old computers have their own minds?!

on Friday, July, 30, 2004 7:42 PM
Lightforce Wrote:Good to hear there's someone else who likes old computers too! My Commodore has about 100 games or more, but they are a bit dull and very hard to play. I'd be very pleased to get "new" games for my C64, but there's not much of them for sale nowadays. That C64 has also the matrix printer, which also works perfectly. Due to loss of space in my room the C64 is now buried in a box in a storeroom. But it's there, and it can be taken back to use any minute!
I use my 386 almost every day, updating that database of 40 000 horse pedigrees, writing letters, drawing and so on. I think newer computers are becoming more and more complex, and it's hard to know what they are really doing. My 386 is so simple, I know every file it has, and the Windows 3.1 is the best ever programmed. It never falls! I have experienced the faults of 2000 and XP, and they make me angry. Computers get better and faster, but programs get more fragile for errors all the time! Why is that?!
I enjoy playing with 386, I have Lotus III rally game and it's the best rally game I've ever played, with enjoyable music too! I also have F-15 Strike Eagle, the best flying simulator ever! I don't care about the new 3D-animation, sometimes the characters move in a very stupid way and they don't look real at all. Old Commodore's game characters looked more realistic to me!
By the way, I saw first time about a month ago, when I bought the Tron 20th anniversary DVD-pack from an internet auction. I'm now 20 years old, and I fell in love at first sight!


"What is essential is invisible to the eye. It's only with the heart that you can see rightly." -Scooter

I like old comps too, I just have little room to spare for them. I still have my Atari 800 and C64c but soon they will be going the way of Ebay. I got into the Atari 800 alot more than the C64 unfortunately. I really got the C64 to keep up with the gaming trend of the late eigthties and early 90's when Atari started loosing game developers so I really didn't learn much about it. The Atari went through both me and my brother so its got its share of knicks and dings but still works. Man, to think those machines were the "wave of the future" back then. Its kinda sad that the legacy is kinda ignored by the industry today. My mom had a Tandy 1000 which was basically Radio Shacks 286 computer. It was horrible, and a real loss for her money as she bought it brand new at a time when her money would have been better spent getting a 386 or even a 486 which I think at the time were in their first year of production. We've had alot of computers pass through here. As it stands I have my Atari 800, C64c, P133 clone and a P200 clone that are all kinda gathering dust now that I have a more modern computer.


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on Friday, July, 30, 2004 9:23 PM
Well the PI up too the pII and PIII can still be used. Fine not like today's computers that we have today. But with the right software you can still use them in their classical extent. I had found recently a small program over here. that I was looking into that can used at least a PI up to PIII's compuers for a online Bulletin Board systems through the internet. Which sounds symple enough to do. Or use it for something that can be used with other hobbies like electronical model trains.

Just to need to find where they can still be used to some extent and find some recycling centres that you can get used computer parts for them. Thats what I had done. One of my old clients was going to throw out 2 motherboards and one other complete computer without a hard disk, memory and dlippy in. I took them all to see what I can rebuild from them and use them for something more useful for my parents and something else over here. Anything under a PI I wouldn't touch anymore for something that can still use even the older windows environments.

And enough memory for it to still be usable Even my Nextstation that I have here I use to learn a unix ike Operating systems in them. And It doesn't have t be a fast system to work with in oreder to learn with them.




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on Sunday, August, 01, 2004 3:37 AM
Compucore Wrote:Well the PI up too the pII and PIII can still be used. Fine not like today's computers that we have today. But with the right software you can still use them in their classical extent. I had found recently a small program over here. that I was looking into that can used at least a PI up to PIII's compuers for a online Bulletin Board systems through the internet. Which sounds symple enough to do. Or use it for something that can be used with other hobbies like electronical model trains.

Just to need to find where they can still be used to some extent and find some recycling centres that you can get used computer parts for them. Thats what I had done. One of my old clients was going to throw out 2 motherboards and one other complete computer without a hard disk, memory and dlippy in. I took them all to see what I can rebuild from them and use them for something more useful for my parents and something else over here. Anything under a PI I wouldn't touch anymore for something that can still use even the older windows environments.

And enough memory for it to still be usable Even my Nextstation that I have here I use to learn a unix ike Operating systems in them. And It doesn't have t be a fast system to work with in oreder to learn with them.



The Pentiums all run well, just like you said. But they are kinda obsolete for my uses (up to date gaming, internet shopping and auctions, video editing, audio editing, music creation, 3D cgi, vr.) so I built me a hot rod. I was using the P133 recently as I was still waiting for parts for GANTU my "hyperdrive" and I needed to check emails and surf the web. It was doable, and the added speed of cable internet made the slowness of the processor almost negligable. I'll probably do a DOD wipe of the drives after I collect any last minute progs off them I haven't archived to CD already and then ship them off to the military for soldiers in need of computers with the ablity to go online. Either that or see if a relative wants one. I got waaaay to many relatives tough and that could prove tedious.

Before I left working with the Medicare system in 98' I was given two monitors one that is multi resolution but has a problem keeping gamma adjusted just right and a single resolution monitor which does fine but can only be used in 800X640. And I managed to get a Compaq mini tower with no hard disk or other drives just the ram, processor and mobo to go with the case. Unfortunately the case was an AT chassis, which is now obsolete, unless you want to shoehorn a ATX or ATXmicro into it, which I had really no time for. So it got pitched after I gutted it of the power supply, switches, LEDS and some fastners. THe Mobo I still have, but its rated only for a P133. The processor, lost somewhere,. But yeah, I have a box of stuff I keep some parts in, just in case a friend needs something or something of mine should blow out, an old but still functional AWE32 soundcard, my Voodoo 3 PCI card and alot of IDE cables, like way too many.


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