Tron Fanatic wrote, in the Fire thread: I have a feeling that it wouldn't be quite so quick and painless a death on the other side though. A lot more time seems to pass by in the digital world than it does in the real world and it would need to. When we call up a program to do something, we don't have to sit around for while the program runs to the nearest I/O port to recieve the message. For us the process happens in the blink of an eye but for them carrying out the assignment might appear to take all day. So what is a few seconds for us could be a very long time for a program.

This is true. In addition, consider that time in the Tron universe seems to be generally measured in "microcycles". Also, I believe I heard Yori mention in the original Tron movie, in the Solar Sailer sequence, make a reference to "the junction is only a few milliseconds ahead-- we'll never make it!" A few seconds of Tron time later, and they reached the junction, where Flynn proceeded to save the day handily thanks to his User powers. And the ending of that movie--where Flynn redigitizes into the exact same posture he left, and Alan and Lora aren't searching frantically for him at his days-long absence-- seems to me to suggest he wasn't in cyberspace for days on end, according to our real-world time-frame.

Unfortunately, conclusively shows that the two timelines run simultaenously-- not only by the sequences of emails we download, and by the real-time communication between Jet and Alan, but by the Security Server cutscene: Jet unlocks a door for his real-world father and walks beside him down the hall. One in realspace, one in cyberspace, same speed.

What do you think? Did Buena Vista tweak the timeline aspect of the Tron universe so the story would work better? Or do Tron programs really walk down virtual halls to deliver packets at the same speed mailmen walk down streets to deliver packages?

Discuss. ®

...maybe the server was lagging long enough for it to work in "real time"?

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harpo989 Wrote: TF, time already moves faster in the digital world then in the real world. because the programs are moving reeeeally fast, it appears that the real world is moving slower. so, a faster processer would mean the digital world would be even more out of synch, right? (the faster their world goes, the slower our world seems to them) - Of course, the other possibility is that Users can bend space and time in order to communicate, and Ma3a has that ability too...

Heh, sry.. guess I was 'out of it' when I wrote that. Oops.

Anyway, a couple more things came to mind today that might have something to do with this. I sort of like the idea about the video being buffered so that when Jet looked at it he saw it at normal time speed but that may not be the case either. As for altering time-space, I'm going into that now. I hadn't even thought again about the voice communication of User to Program in the film until Harpo brought it up. I'm going to get really philosophical here for a minute. The simple fact that User input somehow gets translated into voice to voice conversation (especially with Flynn to Clu), suggests the existence of some layer between the two worlds that is completely transparent to both Users and Programs. This may be another of the film's subtle religious ideas. If you think about it, prayer in our world has a similar abstract feel to it. Humans pray to God in their own language - with words, and although may people get answers to prayers about things like "what should I do about this?", VERY few if any will say that they actually heard a voice speak to them. So you have two completely different forms of communication, but somehow, there's a bridge between the two. That said, here's the theory:

if the layer is translating one language into another, it's logical to assume that it can also translate one time speed into another.

The other thing I'm wondering about now though is, have I/O ports completely replaced the need for I/O towers or are they only meant to be a Program to Program communication device? If they were only intended for Programs to talk to other Programs, then we have a few other things that could solve the problem, because Alan communicated with Jet via a port, not a tower. This is strange, because you wouldn't think a User could do that, but perhaps this was only possible becaue Jet was ALSO a User? Wich brings me to another point - that since Users have powers, this would allow them to do more than a Program would, such as phase into another layer of the system (such as the security map) and even alter the flow of time. Jet may have done so without even realizing it. We DO have God-like control over the flow of time in a computer. We can overclock our CPU's and slow them down, and we can even play "Donnie Darko" using the restore - and make it as if everything that took place on the system in the past month never really happened.

As for why Ma3A has that ability more readily, perhaps Ma3A is actually part-User? One of the email rumors said that some of Laura's consciousness was actually put into Ma3a.

P.S. While we're on some really abstract subjects, I know all that would probably happen is the security system would get confused, but I kept wondering what would happen if Jet had decided to kick over one of the people icons while he was on the security map. Would it knock the real person over like some kind of quasi-Voodoo thing? lol. Did this cross anyone else's mind, even for a moment?

Perhaps a program's ability to communicate with a User directly is more of a gift that may or not be bestowed upon them. Ma3a seems to have an incredible amount of knowledge of the User world as well for someone to be able to just ask "Where's my father" and expect to get anything other than a syntax error. I'm guessing these are so self-aware that they might be examples of what typical scifi would classify as a "living computer".

I don't think it would be the device itself though, it would have to have more of a consciousness than that. Perhaps the mediator would be a control program of sorts? The program that interprets signals from input devices - mouse drivers and soforth? Or would this be more akin to what a tower guardian does?

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