harpo989 Wrote:Well, I'm not sure about having a life... but I *will* be seeing the new HP movie tonight about 10:45...

They made a film about Hewlett-Packard?

That's kind of odd.

Is it about their printers... or maybe their whole computer line?

Jeez, what could the plot be in a Hewlett-Packard film?

Sounds boring.

Why don't you go and see the Harry Potter film instead?

As for me...

No movie tonight.

But maybe a few rounds on the game grid!

Hey guys, I think there might (or might not) be something wrong with my version of Tron-- for some reason, the patch won't install and it won't connect to GameSpy. Perhaps I can connect to a specific IP? Anyway, I'd love to see y'all online!

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Thanks, redrain. Downloaded & installed the patch, and now I can see the other servers... but now I have a different problem.

See, my version of [TRON20] was bought in Russia... and Russians are known for their less-than-copyright-complaint business practices.

Apparently I have a pirated version of this game. I can't make it work. I may have to go to Best Buy or something and plunk down $50 for a new copy... which is a shame since my original version works perfectly, except for the multiplayer component. Nothing to be done for it, I suppose, unless y'all have any bright ideas.

Before I spend my money, though... is multiplayer really that awesome?

-eol-

DaveTRON, I dislike (read: utterly despise with all my heart) pirates too, and I will not come to the defence of a true knowing pirate. however I must state this: It is a slight possibility that he did not know it was pirated. but if so, you would have to be extremely foolish not to know about Russian buisness practices (no offence to russans. just as not everyone in America's nesscessarily a pirate, not everyone in Russia is nesscessarily a pirate) and yet still perchase a game (which is odd, considering you don't seem Russian) where you know it might be illeagal. it doesn't matter what game. be it Tron 2.0 or Bionicle: the game or Halo or any other game. it's not only illeagal, it's foolish.
and Tweaker, if you willingly bought a pirated version of the game, then I can only be as mad as DaveTRON. I can only say it so many times, if you paid anyone but the owners the game, willingly breaking those laws, then I really don't know what to say...

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(no offence to russans. just as not everyone in America's nesscessarily a pirate, not everyone in Russia is nesscessarily a pirate)

Actually, now that you mention it...

Everyone is Russia is a pirate. You don't know what it's like here. Believe it or not, there is not a single store in St. Petersburg that sells licensed software. All of it is pirated. It is not possible to aquire licensed software locally. Thus, I can either a) not buy any software, in which case I am left without computer games and utilities, and in which case I would never have joined Tron-Sector because I would never have gotten to sample the joy that is ; or b) I can pay the pirates. It's unpleasant, but those are the options I have.

Or had. Now that I have (in the last few days) moved to the US, things are different. I can (and will) buy a copy of at my local software store, because I believe Tron is a great game that deserves support, and because I do not want to lose my friendships here at Tron-Sector.

I was getting to like you, Tweak. now I just don't know...

I've been getting to like you too, Harpo. I enjoy the discussion you provide, and fighting alongside you on the Game Grid. I'd hate to lose that. For that reason-- and, equally, for the reason that Tron is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen-- I'm going to pay $20-$50 for a game I already have. Because I love you guys too much to lose everything I've placed here.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

DaveTRON Wrote:I have friends who are now out of work because of piracy (at least in part).

While I don't want to continue to steer this topic off course, here is something for you to think about DaveTRON the next time you blame the economic ills of the game industry on the authorized duplication and use of its products (By the way, that practice is NOT "piracy." Piracy is murder and plunder on the high seas. Making an unauthorized copy of some data bits pales in comparison. The software industry uses that term and other exaggerated and inaccurate descriptions of this unauthorized activity as "theft" to grossly villify those who engage in it and manipulate ignorant politicians into wasting tax dollars to fight it so they don't have to spend the money themselves.)

The fact is that you don't have friends out of work because significant numbers of people are using game software instead of paying for it. You have friends out of work because their employers failed to produce and sell thieir products in a financially viable way in a market with enormous competition and in a depressed economic climate where many consumers' disposable income are being eaten away by rising oil prices and other inflationary trends. Most of the relative minority who actually acquire and use authorized copies of games would not buy the game anyway if the copy were not available. The sales of games is down simply because fewer people can afford to buy as many games as before when economic times were better.

While I do not condone unauthorized copying and use of games, the practice is not that widespread among people who can and would otherwise buy the products, and it should not be the scapegoat for the ills of the video game industry. If it were the real cause, every game company would be folding because essentially everyone's product can be copied. Plus, it would also not explain why subscription-based online games are also failing in large numbers when those games cannot be used illegally without paying. The situation today is very similar to what the video game industry went through back in the mid 80's. However, back then it was a lot more severe because the market for games today is larger and more diversified. But, the cause of the problem is still the same: oversupply. There are simply too many games chasing too few customers with the disposable income to purchase them. This is just typical market economics correcting itself. As economic times improve and people's income for entertainment rises, the industry will recover. However, until it does, the only companies left standing will be those making games which are the most in demand or which are very affordable.

Like the music industry, the game industry needs to reform itself and overhaul its production and sales practices to deal with the current economic situation and stop blaming its ills on authorized copying.

DaveTRON Wrote: there are a great number of people out there stealing games

People who take possesion of a physical game product from a store or home without compensation are "stealing" games because they are depriving the store or home owner respectively of the resale or use of the product. One who uses an authorized copy of a software product or violates a software EULA may be committing an illegal act depending upon the circumstances and jurisdiction, but that act is NOT theft or larceny. This is not just a semantic difference. Labeling it as theft or stealing is equating the use of an unauthorized copy of a game to a lost sale or deprived revenue, and it is clearly not. One need only look at places like Russia, Thailand, and South America where unauthorized sales and use of software is quite high and personal incomes are quite low. The notion that the people of these places would be purchasing this software especially paying U.S. retail price for it were the unauthorized copies not available is ridiculous.

Everyone will take something when its free. However, that certainly doesn't mean that everyone or even anyone would have paid if it weren't free. The software industry needs to come clean and admit this fact and deal honestly with the issue of unauthorized use of its product and stop laying the blame for its failures on this practice. Paying too much for product licensing, bloated production budgets, product glut, a flawed sales model which encourages artifically high prices and low sales. These are the real faults and issues which are hurting the video game industry.

it has a financial impact that has put people out of work. I've seen it first hand and I know it to be true.

I'd really like to know how you qualify or quantify that assertion because no one from software industry trade organizations has ever accurately and truthfully done so. Each unauthorized copy of a product does NOT constitute lost revenue. Nor does it follow the industry's other assertion that each percentage of increased sales equates to the same percentage of increased jobs to produce and support those addition sales.

Every company in the software industry faces this same problem of unauthorized distribution and use since essentially every company's products can be distributed and used in that manner. Yet, every company isn't folding. The one's that are failing should either learn from the one's that are successful, or they should go out of business.

ok... getting back on topic, I just got done raceing Shiva and some others... I must say that the appearance of Busstop and some others have certantly impacted the people online quite a bit. T-E was just in a bad mood tonight... or something. I now understand what Shiva said when she mentioned the profanity out there. there were(later, after some left) a lot of comments that I do not... usually use even in games.

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Well, I teamed up with TronFanatic tonight... under my super-duper-super-ultra-secret other name

He knows TheReelTodd when he comes across him

Had a good time, despite the earlier "silent treatment" from those who mistook me for the troll (JUST because I was a name they were not familiar with).

I suppose I'll have to give up my other name soon, else I be accused of being the troll again

Sucks that people let that idiot get to them.

YOUR loss people - and I mean the troll victims.

YOU lost trust for people because YOU fed the troll and let him get to you. NEVER FEED TROLLS.

As for me, I still had a good time... and intend to have MORE good times.

So I'll see you soon on the game grid again, perhaps tomorrow evening