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An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Monday, March, 01, 2004 3:21 PM
So I'm chatting with Sketch the other night and we're talking about the Datawwraiths and it dawns on me. Datawraiths are the opposite of Programs in that they're not "human" (at least not in the computer). Programs reflect the humanity of their users, that's why they look like they do, but Wraiths all look the same and, aside from being bipeds, have little human features, the face, specifically. They don't talk but for the rapid data that creep out other programs. Heck, even the ICP's have faces under their helmets (like the Kernel's adjutant).where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online


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on Monday, March, 01, 2004 4:25 PM
an interesting thought. so if users are like dietys (sp?) (created the programs, have control over everything) the Datawraiths are like demons? (create havoc, faceless, no users)
it's a good point. even the ICPs are at least just programs doing thier job. (like the cutscene at the beginning of the firewall level, when the ICP is chatting with the program)
what I think is interesting is that the Datawraiths are (or at least should be) fearless, as they cannot be killed. (another demon-like trait)

although I do have a little question. if a user is killed, (in the computer) does he derezz or is he returned to the real world? (my first thought would be no, as Datawraiths are a sort of modified users)
also, do users clothes modify how he is in the computer? if not, why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Monday, March, 01, 2004 8:01 PM
harpo989 Wrote:although I do have a little question. if a user is killed, (in the computer) does he derezz or is he returned to the real world? (my first thought would be no, as Datawraiths are a sort of modified users)
It shows in the game that if a User (at least, a DataWraith) is derezzed in the computer, an emergency program shoots them back into Real World.

also, do users clothes modify how he is in the computer? if not, why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?
I imagine that it's a subconcious thing. Jet was a superior gamer so his computer persona is an advanced game bot type. Wraiths are dressed in uniform suits that monitor their positions and health and that mindset transfers with them, I suppose.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill


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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 12:20 AM
In the film, when Flynn jumped into the MCP, he was returned to the real world. If he was just a program, he probably would have derezed (it would have "killed" a normal program), but he survived, albeit being thrown back into the real world.


 
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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 12:47 AM
Flynn also believed he could do it, and thus subcounsously "programmed" the outcome. He's a User, he can do that.


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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 3:15 PM
Scuzzy Wrote:
harpo989 Wrote:also, do users clothes modify how he is in the computer? if not, why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?
I imagine that it's a subconcious thing. Jet was a superior gamer so his computer persona is an advanced game bot type. Wraiths are dressed in uniform suits that monitor their positions and health and that mindset transfers with them, I suppose.

sorry, I meant that before the Datawraiths entered the computer, they still wore purple-ish suits. but if how you look is subconsious, as you say, then why did they need to?

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 4:59 PM
Well, there seem to be two different views on the DataWraiths actual prescence in the computer world.

I don't think they are supposed to actualy be "in" the computer as Jet and Flynn were. Rather, it is just an avatar under the users control. So maybe the user needs to wear the purple suit to control the avatar? This may also account for their "inhuman" appearence.

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 5:33 PM
harpo989 Wrote:
Scuzzy Wrote:
harpo989 Wrote:also, do users clothes modify how he is in the computer? if not, why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?
I imagine that it's a subconcious thing. Jet was a superior gamer so his computer persona is an advanced game bot type. Wraiths are dressed in uniform suits that monitor their positions and health and that mindset transfers with them, I suppose.

sorry, I meant that before the Datawraiths entered the computer, they still wore purple-ish suits. but if how you look is subconsious, as you say, then why did they need to?

Quite right. Flynn and Jet didn't anticipate being in the computer, thus their subconcious filled in the blanks. The Datawraits were given uniforms and a specific idea of what they were going to look like, thus their mindset and subconcious were synched.

Although I will admit the hole in my theory about Flynn since he looked just like any other Program. But I still hold firm that Jet is a Super Game Bot User.



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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Tuesday, March, 02, 2004 5:49 PM
I figure it's one of two things:

If Alan has created an algorithim for safely digitizing a human, it is concievable that fCon modified that algorithim to endow a digitized human with specific abilities and a specific appearance in the electronic world.

Or, more likely, the suits that the Data Wraiths wear are designed to digitize in such a way that they grant the wearer certain abilities, a specific appearance in the electronic world and automatically encrypt their communications, like a virtual version of the Iron Man armor. Otherwise, there is no reason for the suits at all.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

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on Thursday, March, 04, 2004 4:01 PM
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on Saturday, March, 06, 2004 4:27 AM
why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?

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Same reason Stormtroopers wear that pointless white armor: it doesn't stop blaster bolts, arrows, or even falling rocks (remember the Ewok attack?) It's to confirm their identity as nameless, faceless servants of evil. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online


 
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on Saturday, March, 06, 2004 12:32 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:Or, more likely, the suits that the Data Wraiths wear are designed to digitize in such a way that they grant the wearer certain abilities, a specific appearance in the electronic world and automatically encrypt their communications, like a virtual version of the Iron Man armor. Otherwise, there is no reason for the suits at all.


Missile v4.2.5 Wroteatawraiths have that sort of cloaking effect when they don't move, so my guess is that the suit was made in order to give them that power.

The Tweaker Wrote:Same reason Stormtroopers wear that pointless white armor: it doesn't stop blaster bolts, arrows, or even falling rocks (remember the Ewok attack?) It's to confirm their identity as nameless, faceless servants of evil.

those points could be true, but if fCon is smart enogh to create a virtual server and suits that digitize in a special way, then why couldn't they program the Datawraiths to have all those abilitys within the computer? -minus the suits.

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Saturday, March, 06, 2004 1:34 PM
harpo989 Wrote:those points could be true, but if fCon is smart enogh to create a virtual server and suits that digitize in a special way, then why couldn't they program the Datawraiths to have all those abilitys within the computer? -minus the suits.

Maybe they can't write a program that manipulates how a person is represented in the digital world. Maybe they tried and it is currently too difficult, or it may simply be too dangerous to the person being digitized. Also, don't forget it took Alan 20 years to perfect the algorithm to enable safe digitzation. Writing a program to manipulate a user's representation in the digital world may have been deemed too time consuming. Creating a suit that grants abilities because of how the digitzation procedure interprets it is probably the most elegant solution, because it works within the boundaries of the existing, proven process.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Sunday, March, 07, 2004 1:43 PM
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oh, and the stormtrooper armor is also designed to protect the wearer in a vacum, but that's beside the point.

Really?? I was unaware of that. First feature of stormtrooper armor I've heard of, besides radio and anonymity. Do you have a link for that?

and also wrote: also, do users clothes modify how he is in the computer? if not, why do the datawraiths wear special suits outside of the computer?
Hmm, in T2.0 you see them training and such in their purple suits. I think it makes sense to train in the same way you'll fight.

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Re: An Abservation about Datawraiths

on Sunday, March, 07, 2004 2:39 PM
The Tweaker Wrote:Really?? I was unaware of that. First feature of stormtrooper armor I've heard of, besides radio and anonymity. Do you have a link for that?
If you look closely in A New Hope, when the Falcon is docking with the Death Star, you can see a pair of stormtroopers in the vacuum of space.



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on Sunday, March, 07, 2004 5:50 PM
Also, in most Star Wars tech books, it mentions that the stormtrooper armor provides limited protection in hard vaccum.

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on Sunday, March, 07, 2004 7:20 PM
Well one thing I have noticed about Tron is that when a person digitizes they don't come back naked. That leads me to believe that clothing and other personal effects also play a part in their appearance. Perhaps the Data Wraith's clothing appearance was so similar to the patterns of actual digitized code that the translation of appearance was a near match.

Kind of on another note: Jet has a goatee in the real world, and if you notice, in the digitized world there is a bit of his suit that extends on his face like a goatee. I thought that was interesting (even though that isn't consistent with other characters with facial hair digitizing).on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlinewhere to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online


 
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on Sunday, March, 07, 2004 7:56 PM
okay so there could be two explanations for the suit deal. (as I see it)
1. The suit is designed to digitize in such a way so that the user is given the right appearance and abilitys (invisiblity, encrypted communication, etc.) within the computer. less difficult then modifying the Datawraiths within the system or writing a special digitizing code.

2. the suit is merely to modify the Datawraith's appearance and the abilitys are granted within the computer. once again, no system modifying.

or you could go with the idea that the suits are for training purposes only. but that wouldn't make sense, as when the Datawraiths start getting bounced back, they are still wearing the suits.

I figure that both points are proveable. so, that's how I see it. (and we seem to have gotten a bit off track here, but hey, that's why it's a discussion.)

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on Monday, March, 08, 2004 6:10 AM
I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me, "How often do stormtroopers NEED protection from vacuum, anyway?" But if it's there in Episode 4, well, I guess they must use Stormies for external maintainence and such. Shows how much I know.

Monthigos Well one thing I have noticed about Tron is that when a person digitizes they don't come back naked.
Yes, they come back in the same clothes they left in. But, with the exception of the Data Wraiths, a person's digitized form usually bears no particular resemblance to the clothes they were wearing in the Real World. I must therefore conclude that a person's clothes are stored in some sort of library (maybe a DLL? ) that's part of the User's code.

On the other hand, Jeff's goatee was included in his digitized form. I'm inclined to agree that the the conscious and subconsious mind play a part in generating a person's digitized persona. Jet knows he has a goatee every day, but his clothes change from time to time, so they're not really part of Who He Is. The Datawraiths, on the other hand, when they put on their suit, they're entirely changing their appearance, and it's possible that they want to appear in their purple form, so that gets reflected.

It's also possible that, given fCon's extensive knowledge of digitization technology, they found or programmed in some sort of "exploit" and created a suit that would be recognized by the digitizer as a sort of parameter... resulting in their cloaking abilities? Hard to say. We just don't know enough. That's as close as I've gotten to a complete theory, though.


 
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on Monday, March, 08, 2004 8:41 AM
I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me, "How often do stormtroopers NEED protection from vacuum, anyway?" But if it's there in Episode 4, well, I guess they must use Stormies for external maintainence and such. Shows how much I know.

Actually, I think it's just for emergencies (like the ship they are on is destroyed, etc...) and moving from ship to ship if needed. Stormtroopers aren't used for long term vacuum work, unless wearing the zero g suit.

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